NATO vs WP in The Next War turn 2

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RE: NATO turn 3 against Larry (Warsaw)

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NATO losses at start of turn 3

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RE: NATO turn 3 against Larry (Warsaw)

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More NATO losses...

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The Next War 1979 turn 4

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I've finished the turn 4 WP moves and you can click on the links below to see what gives:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/kynxlishvig45oi/toc.html

And here's the big moves file:
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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How is it possible that I, as the enemy, can have an air superiority that is twice as strong as Larry, but he kills 4x to 5x more aircraft?

Does that strike anyone as unrealistic or a bug? Or is there some other explanation?

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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ORIGINAL: toawfan
How is it possible that I, as the enemy, can have an air superiority that is twice as strong as Larry, but he kills 4x to 5x more aircraft?

Does that strike anyone as unrealistic or a bug? Or is there some other explanation?
Um......I did about a dozen SSM strikes on your airbases and got excellent results. I think the LOWEST result I got was about 26% Allied losses on each combat. I guess they lumped those "ground strikes" aircraft losses in with the furballs that might or might not have occured. That's about the only thing I can see that might have inflated the score you see.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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I don't know if I'm going to survive very long. Larry really destroyed any pretense of a front "line" with his surprise paratrooper attack.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Looks like your opting for a forward defence which is probarbly not a good idea,Your not going to hold the WP at the frontier his starting forces are powerfull,A better tactic may be to slow him down rather than try to form a solid front line maybe this will wear him down a bit and lower the readiness of his forces,Chose your moment for some counter attacks against his spearheads once you get some reserves in place,Also you have got Airborne and airmobile troops of your own an assault on an enemy city can provoke that country to lose its nerve and withdraw from the war.
Modern scenarios have a lot of elements to think about,SSMs,Attack helo's,MLRS,Airmobile troops and a load more modern weapons which are all very leathal so lots of casualties pick good defensive positions and get dug in he will run out of steam in the end.
The battle of Medjerda is almost forgotten,but was fought against highly disciplined German troops and blasted a route straight to Tunis it was a perfect infiltration battle and should be remembered as the best fought British battle of the war.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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I really appreciate any help or advice I can get. He jumped to hostilities so immediately that I'm on my heels right now. There's not much of a front line defense or much of a line at all.

He's rolling over me and the reinforcements aren't coming quickly enough. I'm trying to do what you suggest, but really am reeling from his initial offensive.

As you can see, he royally messed up my line by getting in front and behind in the North. I'm trying to find good spots to entrench, but he's just running right around me.

We'll see if the reinforcements help me. But it's feeling like a short game rout.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Don't overlook the Achilles heel of the WP: revolts. There are several locations in the Soviet rear that can trigger revolt attempts that will have to be put down, or even can cause his reluctant satellite states to revolt. Whether successful on not, they come with VP and shock penalties. If Larry has been too aggressive he may even have left some of these unguarded - grab them with helicoptered commandos.

Last gasp: go to nukes. Even his own nukes will impede his advance via contamination.

I used to live in Ramstein AFB as a kid. It always shocked me when testing this thing how often and thoroughly Ramstein got nuked.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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So um......hey you guys.  Roger tells me that some of my links don't work so I'm going to stop trying to be fancy and just post the regular run-of-the-mill pictures and verbage like everyone else from now on.  Too bad too.  Some of my work is excellent.  That's what my mom said.   LOL.

I don't remember posting a picture of my invasion of Denmark so here it is:

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Here's the contents of Berlin just before I destroyed all the Allied units there:

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Here's the picture of my paratroops dropping behind enemy lines in turn 4:

That ought to shut off some of the supplies going to those Allied puppets.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Here's a picture of the front lines as of the end of turn 4 with the green arrow indicating my game plan.
All the good stuff coming into the Allied theater arrives via the east edge of the map I guess so if I occupy all those hexes and / or convert them to my control I should be sitting pretty.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Hey Roger:  I volunteer to switch sides with you at any point in the game.

Here's a detail picture of the end of turn 4 front lines

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Don't overlook the Achilles heel of the WP: revolts. There are several locations in the Soviet rear that can trigger revolt attempts that will have to be put down, or even can cause his reluctant satellite states to revolt. Whether successful on not, they come with VP and shock penalties. If Larry has been too aggressive he may even have left some of these unguarded - grab them with helicoptered commandos.

Last gasp: go to nukes. Even his own nukes will impede his advance via contamination.

I used to live in Ramstein AFB as a kid. It always shocked me when testing this thing how often and thoroughly Ramstein got nuked.

Thanks for the advice. As the new kid on the block, I'm learning just how much attention I need to pay to those details near the bottom of a scenario briefing. I was playing merrily along, not realizing just what I should be thinking about long-term in strategy based on the briefing.

Need to get the notepad out and keep track of these details.

Thanks again.

And Larry, I really like this new way of doing AARs. Nothing separate to download. The pictures are right in front of you. We'll be able to scroll from turn to turn on one forum page and see the history.

Much better.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 4

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Here's the contents of Berlin just before I destroyed all the Allied units there:

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I was trying to escape Berlin, but it wouldn't let me. Forgot to get off the train. We were hiding. It's called the Boxcar Willie Entrenchment strategy.
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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 5

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Here's the results of one of my SSM strikes on a NATO airfield with three aircraft units parked there. These results are typical. This one is the *lowest* percent losses that NATO received from my heroic, valiant, SSM warriors.

Also, I've noticed that for some reason the WP SSM units are more deadly than NATO's SSM units. ??? I mean I've tested the results from SSM's from both sides and it's been my experience that WP SSMs ALWAYS had better results and I have no idea why. I guess SCUDs are just better weapons systems or something.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 5

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Most of the paratroops I dropped behind enemy lines in turn 4 actually survived until turn 5. And some of them could actually move further to the west. Here's the scene in round 2 of turn 5. The dude on the far left of the image is headed for Amsterdam.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 5

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Meanwhile, in Austria, my valiant paratroopers are attempting to cut off the supply to the Allied group on the right. One more turn and I'll have a paratroopers on the north road and operation supply cutoff will be complete. Then there will be the tiny problem of survival of the paratroopers who will have to hold until the main body gets there.

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RE: The Next War 1979 turn 5 NATO move

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The next three screens show the results of my Turn 5 as Nato vs. Warsaw (Larry). Please note my supply question in screen 4 below.


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