Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?" No Oleg

[Senno]

Turn 6:

In the far north the Soviets have just about completed their withdrawal behind the Finns "no attack" line to the immediate north of Leningrad.

the southern Finns remain unactivated. This has been bugged, as previously mentioned. The chance to at least attack the units withdrawn, even if destruction was not guaranteed is missed. How much this impacts the Leningrad defense is probably not great. But 8 - 10 more divisions that otherwise might not be present can only help. And given that I am far behind in AGN, it's pure gravy.

AGN/Finns status overall. Start turn 6, premovement.



AGC:

We remain in general contact with the Soviets along the entire section of the front, pre-movement.

AGS:

We remain in general vicinity of the Soviet with 6th and 11th Armies. 6th Army will move to contact and attack. Whether MP's are left to cross the river, is anyone's guess at this point. 17th Army now will move to contact. Once again this is pre-movement, turn 6.

[Senno]

Soviet Counterattacks on their Turn 5:

Romanian Armored, 5th and 6th Romanian Cavalry were counter-attacked. This slows down any planned linkup between 11th Army and 1st Panzer. However Soviets have already withdrawn all forces that I had hoped to encircle located at the Dnestr/Ushisha southwest of Vinnitsa to behind the Yuzhny Bug river and to the east, northeast of 11th Army/Romanians. So the compelling reason for the potential link-up with major forces has been removed.

For the record, I don't think he read the AAR. I think the potential linkup was pretty obvious, and he smacked weak units that presented as targets of opportunity.

Around Pskov 900th Lehr Motorized was attacked by 2 Soviet infantry divisions with decent support levels, but held with minor losses in all catergories. The Soviets also had relatively light losses.



Romanian First Armored was located sw of Vinnitsa, the 5th and 6th Romanian Cav 50 miles northeast of Kishinev. The battle locations are denoted. This is pre-movement, turn 6.

I will be following 2ndACR's advice more stringently from here on out regarding OPSec. Radio Silence enforced. Probably as well as we (Americans) did in WWII, generally. But I will try.[:D]

[Senno]

AGS, 11th Army and Romanians post movement, Turn 6

[2ndACR]

Did you remove the screen shots? I just save my pics to my owner/pictures and upload the files from there.

You need to get a move on in the South, your way behind schedule. You got to get the infantry up on the line to save your armor, they are doing too much fighting and not enough exploiting. But I also understand since I have played Oleg and he loves to fight every step of the way.

[Senno]

Oops. Shall fix them. Using imageshack. But it's not upgraded so a bit hokey.

What can I say about AGS? He has all his units he started with pretty much doesn't he? No pocket = extra armies to pile on.

I agree with you overall, of course. But haven't launched that many attacks with armored. Will put up TOE's screenie shortly.





13th Panzer could use a breather, I suppose. Is anything else badly beaten down by fighting in your opinion? MP's suffer, and fatigues an issue. But didn't think I was killing my TOE's of my panzers.

And sheesh, goodbye imageshack, such a pita.....

edit: TOE's added.

[2ndACR]

Okay, your AGS first turn was not the greatest so you are paying for it now. The one thing about playing German is the first turn is key, it's sets the pace for everything else. 

[Senno]

Yeah, he falls back just enough that I have to use my mp's to get to the next river. Manage an attack, and 1 unit crosses. I hope I am picking up now. But AGS is a bulldoze, no? At least now, in my game.....

Just got turn back, and see he has fallen well back of Odessa. Gonna be a bit to get infantry there, haha.

[2ndACR]

That is what he does, gives him time to fort up and harder for you to cross the river. He hardly ever fights for Odessa, he gets behind that next major river and digs in. You have to move from the north to dislodge him effectively.

They don't look too bad, most could use a breather. TOE wise, they look okay. I just keep seeing them in the front line so assumed they were doing the heavy lifting.

[Senno]

They throw a few attacks to clear space, hit second line like PeeDee advised. But not to many. If they were, they wouldn't be at front, they'd be convalescing on the Riviera, haha.

Ehh, about the north. I've been thinking about that, of course. Op Sec.

[Mynok]

You need to be using your infantry to hammer a hole for your panzers. Get those panzers off the front line.

[2ndACR]

Check those southern Finns and see if the mouse over shows a turn 10 activation.

[Senno]

Oh, some are activating. Some have a frozen and withdrawing date, it seems.

Not all, but it will happen over the next 4-6 turns, generally. This is from looking last night.

I closed up, and went to bed. Getting ready to open turn up to play it now.

Example:





Is WAD, it seems.

[Senno]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


You need to be using your infantry to hammer a hole for your panzers. Get those panzers off the front line.

Don't remember hammering many holes with Panzers... Infantry was generally used to open hole, which the Panzers then moved through. Last turn was spent finishing off pockets, and exploiting in the north in vicinity of Smolensk landbridge. Maybe a couple attacks, but certainly not as a general matter....

It's still a hard slog in the South, though. Well, 11th Army blew a hole, and Soviets withdrew to the Yuzhny Bug. But the rest of AGS, yeah, rough going.

I have anticpated moving Panzers back for R&R in a turn or 2. Depends on what their state is, now that I am preparing to open and play my turn 7. I hesitate to speak to much about future plans. Decided to follow 2ndACR's advice, here. And maybe on other items, but that's for the future.

Turn 6 end movement:





3rd Panzer starts an end around of the land bridge, clearing space to VL, in conjunction with Second and Ninth Armies.

[Senno]

Turn 6:

2nd Panzer and 4th Army cross the Dnepr in force. Consolidation of the bridgehead will commence. The state of 2nd Panzer will be evaluated, as to whether it comes of the line for R&R. MP's were low, so it might be time now.

[Senno]

AGS, Turn 6:


AGS: 6th Army moved to contact, and attacked across the S. Sluch River, with 2 divisions making the crossing.

17th Army reduced the mini pocket, and moved to contact along the southern Teterev River, approaching Zhitomir and Vinnitsa.

First Panzer rolls through a small hole. Hopefully to hook up with 6th Army in a number of turns.

First Panzers status will also be checked, might be time for them to come off the line for a turn. This would be First Panzers first time out of combat. "Refit" is left on the Panzer armies at all times, of course. The other Panzer Armies have had a turn off the lines as noted above.

[Senno]

Start Turn 7:

Still have a big healthy army as expected. 3.55 million. Counter-attacks have been extremely light. None last turn. I am certain he is content to ride it out until winter, and won't see many counter-attacks before then, at all. I'm pretty much behind schedule, of course.

Panzer TOE's are good, but fatigue rises. Expect to follow 2ndACR's and Mynok's advice and give the Panzers a turn off the line, soonish. With the exception of First Panzer, this will be their second time behind the lines on R&R.

In AGS Soviets have withdrawn in 11th Armies area, as noted. Will take 1 to 2 turns to move to contact. Still very thick elsewhere in AGS, as expected. This is pre heavy recon. I'm flying them in between typing, haha. I'm not sure I want to fly recon, it can only get worse.

AGC: Major change is Soviets have withdrawn to a line roughly at VL, tying in with the southern flank of the forces around Pskov.

I'm not happy about lack of pockets. But I will accept the land as extremely minor compensation.[;)]

OK, now all that's really gotta be bad for OP SEC. Sorry, 2ndACR....

I appreciate everyone who has taken time to give me advice. Thanks much.[:)]

[TulliusDetritus]

Senno, I think it would be better if you toggle the enemy controlled hexes and forts on. We can't see the big picture if these "details" are not present [:)] Thanks in advance [&o]

How many Soviet losses?

[Senno]

Ok. And will put losses up when the turn returns first thing.

"Not many" suffices for now, hehe.

[Senno]

Oleg returns the turn like lightning.[:)]

And for TD ([&o]), the losses:

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Senno, I think it would be better if you toggle the enemy controlled hexes and forts on. We can't see the big picture if these "details" are not present [:)] Thanks in advance [&o]

How many Soviet losses?

[Senno]

OOB: