WitW

[Ridgeway]

ORIGINAL: mussey

Also, how do you model Ultra?

The German player thinks FOW is on, but it really is not.

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: Zoetermeer

I agree that the unit scale would have to be different for these three games, but given that I don't see how it's possible to "combine" them into one big mega-game called War in Europe.

Easy. Heard of World in Flames? Multiple hex scales for different parts of the map. Works just fine.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

CNA...there are memories in that. Not necesarily good memories, but memories.

You know what they say - it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done. [:D]

[squatter]

Unless its genocide

[joliverlay]

Not sure I agree Axis has less chance in the West than the East. A stalemate in the West might be possible. IMO the reason for the December 44 counterattack against the Allied forces was the perception that they were weaker than the Russians.

A good (immediate) counter attack at Normandy might have done more damage than the piecemeal one, and a fighting withdrawl to the West Wall might have been much more successful than holding on till the end.

[laska2k8]

You mean CNA? The Campaign for North Africa. I remember the Italians used more water than the Germans as the Italians were cooking pasta!
Cool but unplayable!

supplies for the Italians were a nightmare, if they had the pasta would have won the war (maybe) [:D]

[Tarhunnas]

ORIGINAL: mussey

Also, how do you model Ultra?

Ultra is only one of many different sources of intelligence, albeit a very important one. The relative strength of the two sides in intelligence gathering could be factored into the calculations governing detection levels when FOW is on.

[LiquidSky]

Ultra didnt tell the allies there was an entire SS panzer Korp at Arnhem.

It didnt tell the Americans there was a fresh division in front of Omaha.

It didnt tell them an Army was about to attack them in the Ardennes.

Not sure how usefull it should be at this scale.

[squatter]

Actually it did indicate that two SS panzer divisions had moved to the area. Monty was so desperate to be the one to deliver the coup de grace to the Reich that he ignored it.
 
Out of interest, does WitP model the breaking of Japanese codes? I imagine it's a bummer if your opponent knows where you're sending your carriers next.

[Montbrun]

ORIGINAL: squatter

Actually it did indicate that two SS panzer divisions had moved to the area. Monty was so desperate to be the one to deliver the coup de grace to the Reich that he ignored it.

Out of interest, does WitP model the breaking of Japanese codes? I imagine it's a bummer if your opponent knows where you're sending your carriers next.

It does - that's the "SigInit" function.

[squatter]

Really? How does it work (not a WitP player)?

[cookie monster]

You get a list of troop movements, troop concentrations, ship positions, Units planning to attack xx target etc

It can be very useful about once every 6 months

[pompack]

The problem with the WitP sigint model is that it's too realistic. This means that every day you get a list of intercepts telling you such fascinating items as the 279th hibachi chef regiment is located in Changkun; then, as CM says, about once every six months you will find an item buried in the daily list saying something like the Imperial Guards Division is loading on transports with a destination of Pearl Harbor. My trouble is that I probably got bored the day before and decided to skip reading the list that turn. Hopefully WitW will give you a G2 staff that will sift through the intercepts for you.

[mussey]

ORIGINAL: pompack

The problem with the WitP sigint model is that it's too realistic. This means that every day you get a list of intercepts telling you such fascinating items as the 279th hibachi chef regiment is located in Changkun; then, as CM says, about once every six months you will find an item buried in the daily list saying something like the Imperial Guards Division is loading on transports with a destination of Pearl Harbor. My trouble is that I probably got bored the day before and decided to skip reading the list that turn. Hopefully WitW will give you a G2 staff that will sift through the intercepts for you.

Exactly. I needed my own Intel Staff just to read all this garble and to put it on a map. I quickly decided to skip it and take my chances without it.

[mussey]

ORIGINAL: LiquidSky



Ultra didnt tell the allies there was an entire SS panzer Korp at Arnhem.

It didnt tell the Americans there was a fresh division in front of Omaha.

It didnt tell them an Army was about to attack them in the Ardennes.

Not sure how usefull it should be at this scale.

But it did a decent job of forecasting the German counteract at Mortain. Yes?

[randallw]

The movement of the German infantry division to Omaha was detected before the invasion, but not soon enough for the plan to be adjusted.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

CNA...there are memories in that. Not necesarily good memories, but memories.

You know what they say - it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done. [:D]

There are only 2 things one should never try - incest and line dancing.

Hmm I suppose there are some parts of a country I will not name where these are compulsory

[morganbj]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower
There are only 2 things one should never try - incest and line dancing.

Clearly, the voice of experience.

[paullus99]

Being driven back to the German border, most of the orders for the Ardennes Offensive were done over landlines - which can't be intercepted by ULTRA.