Burma Road overland supply

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: John B.

It seems to me that I was told at some point that Ramree island could also get supply to China even if Burma was occupied. I took it in my current game and (a) something was sucking a lot of supply from it and (b) China started getting more supply. It's also my understanding that this is different than the Burma Road.

Also, did anyone ever figure out the minimum amount of supply China should strive for each day just to keep body and soul together?

Pretty sure it is not true that Ramree will get supply to China if the intervening road and rail network is in Japanese hands. The supply leaving Ramree could flow toward Rangoon (if the Allies have it) or even backward toward Chittagong. That does not mean it can make it to China. To test it you would have to select Ramree and press the 5 key to display the supply flow under those circumstances.

You can figure out the Chinese requirements your self by adding up the "Supplies Required" at each base the Chinese hold and then adding in the supply requirement of each unit outside of bases. Problem is, it will vary according to how much combat/air ops/building is going on.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I imagine this would vary based on ops that occur within China. My philosophy would be to get as much as I can in there at all times. If a glut should occur (which I doubt) then I could back off a bit.

There is no chance of a glut. In my current game vs. the AI, I was able to keep the Burma road open AND bring supply convoys to the south coast of China. More than three million tons so far and the Chinese units are still filling out TOE! I just wish I could turn some of it into Chinese pilots ...

[HansBolter]

There is a lot of confusion here about Ramree.

Ramree can be a source for supply flow to China, gut the road network form near it to China has to be clear for it to happen.

What players have been saying about Ramree is that it can be used to push supply to China without Rangoon having to be cleared and occupied by the Allies.

This is true.

You will NOT get the free 500 points a day you get when the road from Rangoon is open, but you can pull supply unloaded at Ramree into China if the road net to China, above Rangoon, is open.

If Rangoon is strongly held by the Japanese, the Allies can open a supply line to China by driving deeply enough into Burma to clear the road network from near Ramree to China, without having to clear all of Burma down to Rangoon.

Obviously, you will be able to pull far more supply to China from Rangoon than from Ramree due to Rangoon being a larger port with the road network connected to it, but you don't have to clear Rangoon to get an overland supply flow started into China.

[pontiouspilot]

Well isn't that interesting...I'm going to try that. I have always simply allowed the default draws to govern supply in this region.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

There is a lot of confusion here about Ramree.

Ramree can be a source for supply flow to China, gut the road network form near it to China has to be clear for it to happen.

What players have been saying about Ramree is that it can be used to push supply to China without Rangoon having to be cleared and occupied by the Allies.

This is true.

You will NOT get the free 500 points a day you get when the road from Rangoon is open, but you can pull supply unloaded at Ramree into China if the road net to China, above Rangoon, is open.

If Rangoon is strongly held by the Japanese, the Allies can open a supply line to China by driving deeply enough into Burma to clear the road network from near Ramree to China, without having to clear all of Burma down to Rangoon.

Obviously, you will be able to pull far more supply to China from Rangoon than from Ramree due to Rangoon being a larger port with the road network connected to it, but you don't have to clear Rangoon to get an overland supply flow started into China.

Now this makes sense. Thanks Hans.

[Yaab]

Ramree is linked to mainland Burma by only one hexside. You have to dislodge any Jap units from the adjacent hex for the supplies to flow to China.

[palioboy2]

If you build up all the bases in north east Burma is it possible to supply China with supply from Indian through a "Ledo Road"

How much supply would it be possible to draw through to China this way?

Does fort building increase supply draw at all or just port and airfield building?

Is there anywhere in the manual that lists how much draw you can expect for a certain base size

Thanks

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: palioboy2
If you build up all the bases in north east Burma is it possible to supply China with supply from Indian through a "Ledo Road"
Hardly for China supplying. Most of bases inbetween can be built up to AF4 only and have small initial draw, so they will still be draw bottlenecks, especially during monsoon. But every little bit helps
How much supply would it be possible to draw through to China this way?

Does fort building increase supply draw at all or just port and airfield building?
Yes, but twice less effect from a level of forts compared to AF or port building
Is there anywhere in the manual that lists how much draw you can expect for a certain base size
First, it depends on the scenario. You can look up current draw ingame on base screen. For your own bases only of course. Build up 1 level of forts and you would get half an increment that you get from expanding other facilities. I believe most of the time dwaw increment is proportional to initial size, if 0-1-0 base gets X draw then A-P-F base would get A+P+F/2 draw.
Second, draw is halved during monsoon season.
Third, draw depends on the length of supply route

Look through Logistics 101, it is useful: tm.asp?m=2878790

[Yaab]

Just a minor question.

I reckon, prior to the fall of Rangoon in 1942, the Chinese were getting Allied supplies via the Burma Road, and send them raw materials like tung oil and tugnsten ore in exchange. They exported this stuff using the Burma Road as well. Yet, with the Rangoon port occupied by Japs, did the Chinese stop exporting the raw materials altogehter? Were Allied trucks, running supplies to China in the period of 1942-1945, coming back empty on the return leg on the Burma Road journey?

[RangerJoe]

I don't know about the trucks but the planes flying back on the Hump would carry a load of tungsten.

[Macclan5]

Holy resurrection !

This thread was one of my first gems as a new player.

The only caveat I will add to all the excellent advice (BB Hans et al) is:

Expectations of Burma road supply to China should be tempered with patience

i) Every little bit helps - don't stop pumping in supply
ii) The demand pull takes time i.e. note Monsoon season above
iii) It is 'war transformational' - just not 'immediately' as soon as you recapture the open path

[RangerJoe]

Like all good things, it takes time.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Just a minor question.

I reckon, prior to the fall of Rangoon in 1942, the Chinese were getting Allied supplies via the Burma Road, and send them raw materials like tung oil and tugnsten ore in exchange. They exported this stuff using the Burma Road as well. Yet, with the Rangoon port occupied by Japs, did the Chinese stop exporting the raw materials altogehter? Were Allied trucks, running supplies to China in the period of 1942-1945, coming back empty on the return leg on the Burma Road journey?

In preparation for the decisive battles at Imphal and Kohima the British/Indian army bulldozed new roads to ensure they could get supply forward. I believe as the Japanese retired after their defeat the roads were extended toward Myitkynya which was a rail hub. The roads were quite poor- not enough time, labour or gravel to develop them much but they would have allowed a bit of supply to flow to the actual Burma Road.

IIRC it took several months after the battles of Imphal/Kohima to clear the Japanese out of Burma and take Rangoon.

[rustysi]

Were Allied trucks, running supplies to China in the period of 1942-1945, coming back empty on the return leg on the Burma Road journey?

No, Rangoon was the terminus of the Burma Road. Nothing (well almost) went to China by ground until the Ledo Road was later opened. There was one attempt to find a ground route through Tibet, but it was ruled a failure. That's the 'almost' referred to earlier.