Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1

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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1

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Uh Oh! Full speed on torpedoed ships usually means the flooding gets away on you - even if "full speed" means just another silly knot faster! Check the flotation damage after this turn and if it is rising, reduce to cruise speed if you can.
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I have not received the turn yet but I saw nothing in the replay to indicate that I lost either of the Brit ships. (though TD claimed he has a report of both sinking).

I ran combat reporter and noticed that it said that several ships were moved to Aden because of an invalid hex location. CL Colombo was one of them. I'll check when I get the turn to see if this is just a Combat Reporter issue but I found a forum thread where it was a problem with earlier versions of the extended map. TD said it may just be CR not knowing how to interpret the map. I guess we'll see. I'd hate another restart because I've come out very well in this one.
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uh oh! I checked my backup save this morning, and it reveals that these ships were moved on turn 1. Any ship in Abadan was moved to either Aden or Mombasa. We were using the extended map.

If Abadan is shut down, then that is clearly a deal breaker.

I'll get with TD about it. I'd hate to have to do that this for a 4th time. It's killing me.
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Got your PM. I just asked Michael to jump in and help with the install. He is FAAAAAAAR better then I in helping with this area.
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I would try re-installing your Pwhex files and make sure they are the ones for an extended map game. If that doesn't work, I don't know what else to try.
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Make sure you and your partner are using the SAME pwhex file.
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I'm out of the house for a few hours, so I'll have to wait until I get home o try a reinstall. I gather, though, that this is not a normal problem? TD and I are also wondering if we can salvage the first turn if we get the files sorted. Obviously, he would like to avoid having to do the clickfest again. Will he be able to use that same saved turn even after we reinstall/modify those files? It would save us several days.
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RESTART

We both replaced our pwhex.dat file and changed nothing else. We then ran 2 test turns with a few TF assignments to the off-map locations, and no errors appeared in the combat report or in game. We are going to cross our fingers and restart using a save he made as he was nearly done with turn 1. This means I'll have to re-suffer December 7th and the horrid clicking of December 8th, but hopefully it will work correctly this time.

I'm just going to continue using this thread since so many high profile people have posted here *swoon* [&o]

For the record, this makes our 4th restart overall and the 1st with RA mod. [:(]
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It is always wise to keep two to four prior turns in different slots. I have the actual game in slot 5 with backs ups in slot 7, 8, 9, and 10. Once I get to slot 10, I go back to slot 7. Everything is done as a player except the "E" end of phase.

Nice to see you have found and fixed the problem. [:)]
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*SIGH*

I noticed as I was working on turn 1 that the hexes were not displaying the stack limits. The garrison requirements seemed to be correct, but there was no hex limit displayed.

SO, we both copied the ExtendedMapWithHexLimits .dat files over what we had and now we're running some test turns to see if it starts giving the invalid hex location errors.

The problem clearly lies in the fact that the extended map download and the stack limits download are the same files and have to overwrite each other. Question is, in what order do we install them?
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OK...Stack limits are displaying properly and no errors reported so far, but I'll be keeping a close eye on it.

Orders Summary - 12/7/1941
I only changed Force Z's instructions. The rest is more or less the same and copied here for clarity

China
- Garrison Requirements! Even some of the dot bases have them! I've done my best to shuffle troops around to best cover the homefront.
- In general, all the troops out in "the bulge" in the South are headed back to what I plan on being my main line of defense just south of Changsha
- I plan on putting up more of a fight along the rail way in the North. I know I can't hold it for long, but my hope is that I can force him to pay a bit of blood to open up that rail line connected to central China
- Training. It is happening.

Task Forces
(going from memory here)
- 3 of the 4 troop transports in the Indian Theater are redirected to Chittagong. I believe the 4th was the 18UK and they will unload at Colombo to do their nails before heading to wherever I need them.
- The Pensacola fleet near Darwin which contained US Engineers and BFs is headed to Noumea to get a head start on that fortification. They didn't have much AV between them and would have made a poor fortress closer to the front.
- The Aussie fleet near Townsville is ordered to unload at Port Moresby. I'll be attempting to make a stand there this time, since I have some P40s I can use now.
- It is funny that I have already made up my mind to use Suva instead of Pago Pago this time around. In this scenario, Pago Pago already has some troops plus a fleet of ENGs starts out in the same hex. I resisted the temptation and sent them to Suva as planned. I'll also be moving the troops already on Pago Pago over to Suva, though I may leave a garrison to keep him honest.
- Force Z was ordered to Soerabaja. They were NOT sent to Singkawang given what happened in our first outing. I'll look at the possibility of making a night raid before continuing south, but I'm likely to just keep them. As I've said before, the threat of Force Z is greater than it's execution.
- The Aussie SAG flagged by CA Canberra sailed for Rabaul. My hope is to disrupt anything fast grab there while I evacuate the troops to Port Moresby
- Lexington is headed to Saratoga
- I decided to send Enterprise after the Marine AG on Wake even though I knew he would be at Pearl. I won't be resting easy until she's on the right side of the KB again, though.



I have already seen the replay for 1/7/41. I'll post the normal combat report when I get the turn, but from the replay I think it is safe to say that I got hit a bit harder this time. Aircraft losses were slightly higher, but more important, my ships got pounded pretty hard. Even 2 minisubs got into the action! I won't be surprised if I find that I have a BB or two that is going to sink in port. I doubt he'll be sticking around for a second day (which means Enterprise is going to have to hustle)
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

It is always wise to keep two to four prior turns in different slots. I have the actual game in slot 5 with backs ups in slot 7, 8, 9, and 10. Once I get to slot 10, I go back to slot 7. Everything is done as a player except the "E" end of phase.

Nice to see you have found and fixed the problem. [:)]

I do the same thing.

Lew and I's Game has SLOT 7 as the game file with 9-11-13 as previous turns.
Gene and I's is 23 with 25-27-29.

Like this so I can go back if there is trouble AND use the previous turns for the AAR.
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4.1 should be better with having Chinese units at or near bases that need to be covered. Some units simply have to fill out a point or two. You'll be happy to know that the Japanese player has the same thing happen to them as well.
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ORIGINAL: marbakka

Task Forces
- I believe the 4th was the 18UK and they will unload at Colombo to do their nails before heading to wherever I need them.
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Combat Report - 12/7/1941

Pearl Harbor
- The day started with a comically effective mini-sub barrage. The first adorable little thing attempted to put a torpedo into the USS California but it was a dud. The second succeeded in doing major damage to the USS West Virginia with a single torpedo. Then a third managed to stick one through the belt of the USS Maryland.
- Then the air raids started: (Round 1) Destroyed a moderate number of my aircraft on the ground, but not enough to stop me from putting up a decent CAP in the morning; Did heavy damage to all battleships as well as the USS San Francisco (CA). Only the USS Oklahoma (BB) suffered minor damage with only 2 bomb hits. USS Downes (DD) was sunk during the action. (Round 2) A pretty stout force of Zeros swept the island's Airfields and damaged a handful of aircraft on the ground. According to combat reports, there was no afternoon bombing (which doesn't seem right to me).
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- The KB1 (4 CVs) was north of Pearl Harbor. According to these reports, it stayed there during the day. Where it goes next will be a matter of supreme interest to the crew of the USS Enterprise

The Philippines
- KB2 (2 CVs) attacked Clark Field and Manila from the South China Sea sinking 2 fleet submarines and a couple of PTs. A large number of fleet submarines were damaged in the attack, though I think I can get 9 or 10 of them out in the wee hours of the morning. At Clark Field, the airfield was damaged and a couple of aircraft destroyed on the ground, but the attack was largely ineffective.
- A mini-KB SE of Mindanao attacked my B17s at Cagayan damaging 20 or so.
- I expect that the mKB will swing around to destroy refugees coming out of Manila to the south. The KB2 is probably headed west to assist in Malaya as it did in our previous game.

Elsewhere
- Ternate is taken by airborne Japanese troops
- Enemy landings at Aparri, Cagayan, Kota Bharu, Laoag, Manado, Miri, Singkawang, and Vigan
- Force Z is about 6 hexes directly west of Singkawang and was not harassed by the enemy at all. They will continue south, refuel at Soerabaja (which I will henceforth refer to as Baja), and then proceed eastward in case he pokes around Kendari/Ambon
- I forgot to set the Hong Kong destroyers loose. His bombers hit them pretty hard. 1 will probably sink tomorrow, 1 will almost certainly still be repairing by the time the city is taken, and the last one will flee south.

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SigInt

- Mostly mundane stuff except that there are troops already moving toward Rabaul.
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Orders Summary - 12/8/1941

As with Turn 1, very little has changed from before the reset and I am repeating it here for consistency.



I don't want to type and you guys probably don't want to read a detailed account of the myriad of Turn 2 orders, so you're getting the extremely abbreviated version.

Russia
Who cares?

China
- Most everything here was set into motion on turn 1
- Ordered the bombing of Ichang in the hopes of slowing his retreat. Today is the last day for this before I have to stand down the bombers. They are getting pummeled by Japanese airfield attacks.

Malaya
- Pretty standard withdrawal to Singapore
- Ordered 2 CMs to mine Mersing at full speed
- A TK convoy will leave Singapore and fill up at Palembang escorted by CLs and DDs

Burma
- My initial line of defense will be in the woods along the Salween River (just north of Moulmein)
- I sent the 2 restricted units of AVG to China, the unrestricted AVG is in Rangoon, though I may decide to sneak it down to Palembang if he lets me get a buildup going down there

India
- This will be a garrison mess for sure. I did manage to scrounge up enough of a garrison that the 7IND will be able to leave Bombay for the front in a few days.
- I believe it is the 19IND that I sent to Imphal. I may have the wrong unit name as I'm going by memory.
- Ceylon will be my main staging area in this theater. Trincomalee will be the Naval hub. Should he attack India, I will defend along the Chittagong forest line and the east coast of India (Madras to Calcutta).

DEI
- On Sumatra, if it has two feet, a wheel, or a track it is headed toward Palembang
- Starting to stack air transports at Palembang and Batavia. I think I'll be a little faster building it up this time, but I can't imagine he's going to take as long as last time. DC2s are on the way from China.
- Force Z will continue South and NOT take the bait to attack Singkawang
- Ambon is being built up as quickly as I can. It'll be a speedbump if I get some breathing room

Australia
- Fortifying Perth area
- Some of the troops in Darwin are boarding transports and heading to Port Moresby. I think it will be easier to hold PM than Darwin?
- Started airlifting troops in New Guinea to PM
- Ordered the mining of Rabaul
- The Banshees. I've decided to send as many as I can to Ambon to attack his transports in that area. My thinking is that they can strike at anything around Ternate, Kendari, Ambon, or even NW New Guinea. The problem is that I'm not sure how many I can fit over there and still have the P40s with them to cover. I'm already shipping supplies and fuel from Baja but this is a short term assignment and I don't think I'll have time to build the airfield up much. After this assignment, they will probably flee back to Australia or PM

Fiji/SOPAC
- Started building the port in Suva
- LOTS of shipping is converging on this port. The first cargo and fuel shipments are loading in Los Angeles.

PH/CENPAC
- Not much I can do here until the KB clears out
- CAP is up over PH, though many of them were disabled on day 1
- Enterprise is headed to pick up the VMF on Wake. My plan was to proceed South to meet up with Lexington afterward, but I have to consider the possibility that I will have to flee north instead depending on what the KB does.

NOPAC/Canada
- Set Naval Searches over the Bering Sea and sent a small group of YPs to Adak
- Started building the port at Prince Rupert so that it can serve as my NOPAC supply/fuel hub
- Troops assigned to North Pacific command are on trains and headed for PR where they will board transports to Adak. I also sent an INF unit assigned to Pacific command to PR for the same purpose.

West Coast
- V Bomber Command and II Fighter Command were immediately sent to Cape Town where they will go to either Australia or India
- The Tenth USAAF was moved to Eastern US, but I'm not certain I will send them the same route
- Seattle is the supply hub for PH, Los Angeles for SOPAC, and San Francisco for all troops not headed for NOPAC. I will have a couple big transport fleets leaving the WC for PH, Canton, and Fiji over the next couple of weeks.

Carrier Plans
- My priority at the moment is to get Enterprise to safety after picking up the marines on Wake. She will then link up with Lexington and proceed to Fiji and Australia where I hope to get an opportunity to use them to disrupt his progress SE of Rabaul. I'm also leaving open the possibility of swinging them into the IO to work with Hermes and Indomitable (when she arrives). If Enterprise has to flee from the KB into the Bering Sea, it could be a long time before they link up.
- Saratoga will be on transport escort duty until Yorktown arrives.
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Combat Report - 12/8/1941

Pearl Harbor
- A parting raid by the KB1 results in lots of bomb hits and a handful of torpedoes. USS Maryland (BB) is sunk. USS New Orleans (CA) takes a torpedo but survives. We shot down 5 Zeros, 7 Kates, and 8 Vals but lost 12 P-36S Mohawks and 2 P-40B Warhawks
- Unfortunately for Japan, a group of Kates got separated from the rest and attacked with only a handful of fighter escorts. The resulting slaughter resulted in 17 destroyed Kates over against a single P-40B loss. COL Morrissey of the 18th PG/44th PS becomes an Ace in a Day with 5 kills.
- The KB has moved SW to a point about 6 hexes west of Pearl Harbor and appears to be leaving the area. This probably means that Enterprise will have to swing wide north around Midway and back into PH for refueling. I will be prepping a replenishment fleet to send north against the possibility that he will discover and chase Enterprise.
- Once the KB clears out (probably tomorrow), I will have to figure out which of these BBs can move to the West Coast. USS Pennsylvania may well sink overnight. She has 56 SYS and 91 FLT damage with 5 fires still burning.

Elsewhere
- Another day of air raids over Luzon. In Manila, an attempt to bomb the port is met by 28 P-40Es which shoot down 2 Zeros and 8 Kates with 3 losses. At Clark Field, the two raids during the day resulted in roughly even losses on both sides (around 7 on each side).
- Enemy forces land on Guam.
- The following bases fall to Japanese forces: Aparri, Laoag, Vigan, Cagayan, Kota Bharu, Miri, and Singkawang. This was a bit fast for my liking.
- A submarine sunk CM Rigel which was on its way to mine Billiton. Most unfortunate. There is a CMc that will put a few there, but I was looking forward to having a nice big stack waiting on him if he tries to make that a thorn in my side again.

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Orders Summary - 12/9/1941

Weird. I didn't give very many orders at all.

- Set the air transports at PM to get the Lark Bn. from Rabaul. I must have forgotten to do this yesterday
- Tomorrow, I'm going to spend a little bit of PP to move some Dutch base forces to Ambon for Aviation Support. I moved a second Banshee squadron there today and I should be moving the P40s in tomorrow.

Basically, nothing much is happening because I can't do anything with PH until the KB clears out, which I'm pretty sure it will during the day today.
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