Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 Fulkerson(J) vs Moore (A)

[moore4807]

geofflambert -
Is your avatar a slestak??? I havent seen one of those in decades if it is, rattling my brain cells, what was the show? Land of the Lost or something like that?

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: moore4807

I dont see a good escape route for the Dutch - Port Hedland? getting even the Aussies and NZ units out, cost a ton of PP and don't really do anything (unless I'm missing something here?). The stacking limits havent really impacted me yet so the experienced players would have to weigh in.

Against the AI you can get quite a bit of stuff out, there's two Dutch HQ units I like to pull for future use. I don't believe it's feasible to get much of anything (except ships) out of Singapore though. As to route, Perth, just use AKs and AKLs to fuel the short range stuff. The PP problem is a matter of your own priorities and balance. I like to get as much Aussie stuff on ships as I can, going to reinforce or occupy places like PM, Tulagi, Espiritu Santo and Noumea before it's too late. Also those P40 sqs at Manila are just too valuable to defend the indefensible and I withdraw them to Australia post haste. Also there's some US combat engineer units that need to be released and loaded on ships and sent to places like Midway, Palmyra and Canton Island to both fortify them and then help defend them.

Now that I see that this is a joint AAR like I have going with vontiger, what would be more entertaining would be for you guys to do a lot more smack talk. Taunting should be encouraged. Also, ranting about how unfair the game is and how it loves your opponent and hates you is socially acceptible.

Now, here is where I admit to being a dumbass, as though that wasn't already obvious, but that last screen grab with the rows and rows of Japanese TFs, what the heck is that? I've never played a Reluctant Admiral so maybe I don't know how it works, are those false reports or what?

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: moore4807

geofflambert -
Is your avatar a slestak??? I havent seen one of those in decades if it is, rattling my brain cells, what was the show? Land of the Lost or something like that?

No, it's the Gorn from the original Star Trek tv series, and this was one of the worst, lamest episodes made, but it wasn't the absolute worst one. The Gorn character was just hilarious, and the whole hour was devoted to him and Kirk throwing styrofoam "rocks" at each other. Just do Google images on "Gorn" to see more.

[geofflambert]

I should say that after throwing those foam boulders at each other, somehow Kirk comes up with some pure sulphur, crushed charcoal and pure nitrate to mix together (in the right proportions of course) and he finds what looks like bamboo and makes a cannon out of it, and that's how he finally defeats the Gorn. The end is suspenseful though, while Kirk is trying to produce sparks from flint to set the cannon off, Gorn is approaching to finish Kirk off. It was amazing.

[moore4807]

Ahhh,
another example of I learn something new every day! I'm gonna have to check that out.
Thanks

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Now that I see that this is a joint AAR like I have going with vontiger, what would be more entertaining would be for you guys to do a lot more smack talk. Taunting should be encouraged. Also, ranting about how unfair the game is and how it loves your opponent and hates you is socially acceptible.

Moo is a gentleman and has real life issues that would preclude any smacking talk even in jest. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will scar me for life. Or something like that. On the other hand a good RA 4.2 smackdown can generate a better opponent for future battles. I always learn more from my mistakes than something I do correctly. I haven't seen any out and out mistakes on the part of Moo yet. And believe me, I'm looking for them. Moo plays a lot like me which isn't all that surprising since we're both still learning. This is a friendly game between the two of us, or at least it started out that way, and I for one have so many real life smack downs I could really use a good friendly game. I'd tell you about them but you'd start crying.

Okay.....I'll tell you one. And this one still bothers me. When I came back from Vietnam for the second time I saw young people throwing red paint on the veterans and calling them "baby killer" etc. Some of those guys were drafted and didn't have a choice whether to go or not. Some of those guys were like me and volunteered because they thought it was the right thing to do. Most of them couldn't find a decent job somewhere else and it was the Army or nothing. But none of them deserved awstracism for what they did. They didn't deserve the bigotry and prejudgice that America showed them after returning. People would stare at me if I wore my combat boots when I went somewhere. Yeah, when I passed they would stop walking, turn around and stare. Like I was a monster or something. I haven't forgiven Joe Sixpack and Susie Mae bathrobe for their behavior even yet and it's been like 45 years ago now. My sister finally, in 2004, thanked me for my service and it was only because she was my sister that I didn't tell her it was too futher mucking little too futher muckiing late. And thanks for nothing. Thank you very much.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Now, here is where I admit to being a dumbass, as though that wasn't already obvious, but that last screen grab with the rows and rows of Japanese TFs, what the heck is that? I've never played a Reluctant Admiral so maybe I don't know how it works, are those false reports or what?

(1) Those were real TF's that actually and really were right where they were depicted as being.or (2) I did a cut and paste of a TF and multiplied it many times over to confuse and flammox the reader as to the real whereabouts of my actual TF's so as to maintain OPSEC..

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I should say that after throwing those foam boulders at each other, somehow Kirk comes up with some pure sulphur, crushed charcoal and pure nitrate to mix together (in the right proportions of course) and he finds what looks like bamboo and makes a cannon out of it, and that's how he finally defeats the Gorn. The end is suspenseful though, while Kirk is trying to produce sparks from flint to set the cannon off, Gorn is approaching to finish Kirk off. It was amazing.

Well..technically the Metrons fixed it so the two adversaries could find a method to kill each other if they wanted in that episode. Better question though is did you see the re-imagined Gorn in Star Trek: Enterprise. SCARY!

Have fun with the MOD Sir. I saw you started your AAR and haven't had a chance to say Good Luck. If you have any Mod questions Post them over in my AAR or the RA THread.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Okay.....I'll tell you one. And this one still bothers me. When I came back from Vietnam for the second time I saw young people throwing red paint on the veterans and calling them "baby killer" etc. Some of those guys were drafted and didn't have a choice whether to go or not. Some of those guys were like me and volunteered because they thought it was the right thing to do. Most of them couldn't find a decent job somewhere else and it was the Army or nothing. But none of them deserved awstracism for what they did. They didn't deserve the bigotry and prejudgice that America showed them after returning. People would stare at me if I wore my combat boots when I went somewhere. Yeah, when I passed they would stop walking, turn around and stare. Like I was a monster or something. I haven't forgiven Joe Sixpack and Susie Mae bathrobe for their behavior even yet and it's been like 45 years ago now. My sister finally, in 2004, thanked me for my service and it was only because she was my sister that I didn't tell her it was too futher mucking little too futher muckiing late. And thanks for nothing. Thank you very much.

I wasn't one of those throwing red paint or demonizing anyone (not even LBJ or RMN) though I was against it (my parents were pacifists and my brother considered exile in Canada to avoid the draft).

(1) Those were real TF's that actually and really were right where they were depicted as being.or (2) I did a cut and paste of a TF and multiplied it many times over to confuse and flammox the reader as to the real whereabouts of my actual TF's so as to maintain OPSEC..

Either way that looked like a lot of work. [X(]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I'm not really looking at this because I always play the Allies, but dude, you know the forum rules say you can have three running AARs and no more, right? [:D]

You seem adept at flinging "stuff" in these threads. You got a cite for this one? Reading the Matrix FAQ on the forums I see no such "rule." Storage space is cheap, and AARs are a core use of these forums.

If you don't have a cite, how about not running newbies off the tracks when they're doing a good job learning a complex game?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
I'm not really looking at this because I always play the Allies, but dude, you know the forum rules say you can have three running AARs and no more, right? [:D]

Never mind, I see you're Moo not fulkerson.

I didn't know that but I see the logic and I will obey it strictly. I hereby abandon the Allied AI AAR so I can post stuff in here. That okay Moo?

Larry, it's your AAR, but if you do a combined AAR I will feel less comfortable offering advice or comments due to risk of unbalanced input. Combined AARs can work I guess, to an extent, but if you're looking for max input from the crowd I've never seen that happen. Combined AARs usually turn into a chat fest rather than an account of the war and the reasons for doing things. They're particularly destructive to FOW which you, as the Japanese player, are going to wish you had once the Happy Times end.

Just my two cents.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I'm not really looking at this because I always play the Allies, but dude, you know the forum rules say you can have three running AARs and no more, right? [:D]

You seem adept at flinging "stuff" in these threads. You got a cite for this one? Reading the Matrix FAQ on the forums I see no such "rule." Storage space is cheap, and AARs are a core use of these forums.

If you don't have a cite, how about not running newbies off the tracks when they're doing a good job learning a complex game?

[:-]

C'mon Moose, I was totally teasing (I just made that up), is there no room for levity in this forum? Kinda like there's no crying in baseball? [8|]

[moore4807]

Gents, Gents!!!

Anytime I see a [:D] I cannot take the sentence seriously. I cannot take myself seriously most of the time!!!

I'm glad for ANY post here as I dont feel so lonely posting alone... (kind of like drinking come to think about it...LOL!!!)

Bullwinkle - you make a good point about suggestions being filtered bacause of OPSEC here, and I'm good with that, because the hardcore experienced players would look at my play, shake thier heads and say "tsk tsk-so sad". This is my first time against a PBEM (human) player. I feel I could quote in my sleep what the A.I. will do as Japan, having played 30-45 scenarios and campaigns in the past two years I've had this game.

Playing against Larry, who by the way does one of the nicest AAR's on here (shameless fanboy plug...) as my opponent is just icing on the cake. I laughed when I saw his "altered" map of P.I. (although its not TOO far from the truth!) We talked it over and figured there were enough newbies who could learn with us and from our mistakes as there were experienced players who could toss out gems of advice... ergo the joint AAR!

Finally Larry and I have been averaging a turn a day so far - I dont think it will last forever, but we'll ride that horse as far as it will go. [:'(]

Thanks to both of you for reading and posting here, comments of all types are welcome!

Jim

[moore4807]

Against the AI you can get quite a bit of stuff out, there's two Dutch HQ units I like to pull for future use. I don't believe it's feasible to get much of anything (except ships) out of Singapore though. As to route, Perth, just use AKs and AKLs to fuel the short range stuff. The PP problem is a matter of your own priorities and balance. I like to get as much Aussie stuff on ships as I can, going to reinforce or occupy places like PM, Tulagi, Espiritu Santo and Noumea before it's too late. Also those P40 sqs at Manila are just too valuable to defend the indefensible and I withdraw them to Australia post haste. Also there's some US combat engineer units that need to be released and loaded on ships and sent to places like Midway, Palmyra and Canton Island to both fortify them and then help defend them.

Now that I see that this is a joint AAR like I have going with vontiger, what would be more entertaining would be for you guys to do a lot more smack talk. Taunting should be encouraged. Also, ranting about how unfair the game is and how it loves your opponent and hates you is socially acceptible.

Now, here is where I admit to being a dumbass, as though that wasn't already obvious, but that last screen grab with the rows and rows of Japanese TFs, what the heck is that? I've never played a Reluctant Admiral so maybe I don't know how it works, are those false reports or what?

OK - I wasn't aware there was a way to move the P-40's off P.I. How are you changing the HQ?
I cant even load the planes on ships in regular WITP-AE. (they are greyed out in the lists) I was able to change one of the B-17's HQ's but it was an expensive change PP wise...um No Larry it wasnt in this game[:'(]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I'm not really looking at this because I always play the Allies, but dude, you know the forum rules say you can have three running AARs and no more, right? [:D]

You seem adept at flinging "stuff" in these threads. You got a cite for this one? Reading the Matrix FAQ on the forums I see no such "rule." Storage space is cheap, and AARs are a core use of these forums.

If you don't have a cite, how about not running newbies off the tracks when they're doing a good job learning a complex game?

[:-]

C'mon Moose, I was totally teasing (I just made that up), is there no room for levity in this forum? Kinda like there's no crying in baseball? [8|]

No, there isn't when it clearly isn't taken that way. Larry ended a perfectly good AAR, in which it seemed he was getting good learning, based on your contention. His reponse clearly shows he did not take it as a joke.

Perhaps you're not as hilarious as you see yourself.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: moore4807

Gents, Gents!!!

Anytime I see a [:D] I cannot take the sentence seriously. I cannot take myself seriously most of the time!!!

I'm glad for ANY post here as I dont feel so lonely posting alone... (kind of like drinking come to think about it...LOL!!!)

Bullwinkle - you make a good point about suggestions being filtered bacause of OPSEC here, and I'm good with that, because the hardcore experienced players would look at my play, shake thier heads and say "tsk tsk-so sad". This is my first time against a PBEM (human) player. I feel I could quote in my sleep what the A.I. will do as Japan, having played 30-45 scenarios and campaigns in the past two years I've had this game.

Playing against Larry, who by the way does one of the nicest AAR's on here (shameless fanboy plug...) as my opponent is just icing on the cake. I laughed when I saw his "altered" map of P.I. (although its not TOO far from the truth!) We talked it over and figured there were enough newbies who could learn with us and from our mistakes as there were experienced players who could toss out gems of advice... ergo the joint AAR!

Finally Larry and I have been averaging a turn a day so far - I dont think it will last forever, but we'll ride that horse as far as it will go. [:'(]

Thanks to both of you for reading and posting here, comments of all types are welcome!

Jim

I was posting in Larry's AAR and I would post in one you wrote as well (I know the Allies a lot better), but I'm not interested in posting in a combined for the reason I gave. If you wait awhile I think you'll see you and Larry becoming the sole residents of this one. I could be wrong, but I think you'd each get more input and eyeballs if you split them up.

Regardless of what you do I didn't want this one to be predicated on a lie by another poster.

[geofflambert]

It takes a lot of PPs, but the Aussies have zero fighters and aren't going to get any so any US ones you can get there may well be worth it. I like the B-17s too but I usually have to delay before I can afford the PPs. Don't try putting them on ships, they'll just get sunk. P-40s can go quite a ways if you have enough supplies at the bases you use for the trip so they can use drop tanks. I forget which ones have that excess but typically I may use Cagayan, Macado, Ternate, Ambon and/or Lautern then Darwin and you're home free.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58




You seem adept at flinging "stuff" in these threads. You got a cite for this one? Reading the Matrix FAQ on the forums I see no such "rule." Storage space is cheap, and AARs are a core use of these forums.

If you don't have a cite, how about not running newbies off the tracks when they're doing a good job learning a complex game?

[:-]

C'mon Moose, I was totally teasing (I just made that up), is there no room for levity in this forum? Kinda like there's no crying in baseball? [8|]

No, there isn't when it clearly isn't taken that way. Larry ended a perfectly good AAR, in which it seemed he was getting good learning, based on your contention. His reponse clearly shows he did not take it as a joke.

Perhaps you're not as hilarious as you see yourself.

Perhaps you are right, I surely do, but I reread his response and I'm too dense I guess to see what you see (I thought he was kidding about ending that AAR), Larry? I'm really sorry, I meant no disrespect, please continue that AAR and as many others as you like. Oh by the way, I was growing up just outside of Chanute AFB and had relations with many USAF people and their kids. I saw stuff like you describe on TV, but nothing remotely similar ever happened in Rantoul, we were all pro servicemen (volunteer or draft) even my pacifist parents (they were clergy) whose clients included many servicemen and their families.

Moo, was the advice I gave in my last post over the line? Should I stop posting here? I am known to get out of line sometimes.

[moore4807]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Now that I see that this is a joint AAR like I have going with vontiger, what would be more entertaining would be for you guys to do a lot more smack talk. Taunting should be encouraged. Also, ranting about how unfair the game is and how it loves your opponent and hates you is socially acceptible.

Moo is a gentleman and has real life issues that would preclude any smacking talk even in jest. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will scar me for life. Or something like that. On the other hand a good RA 4.2 smackdown can generate a better opponent for future battles. I always learn more from my mistakes than something I do correctly. I haven't seen any out and out mistakes on the part of Moo yet. And believe me, I'm looking for them. Moo plays a lot like me which isn't all that surprising since we're both still learning. This is a friendly game between the two of us, or at least it started out that way, and I for one have so many real life smack downs I could really use a good friendly game. I'd tell you about them but you'd start crying.

Okay.....I'll tell you one. And this one still bothers me. When I came back from Vietnam for the second time I saw young people throwing red paint on the veterans and calling them "baby killer" etc. Some of those guys were drafted and didn't have a choice whether to go or not. Some of those guys were like me and volunteered because they thought it was the right thing to do. Most of them couldn't find a decent job somewhere else and it was the Army or nothing. But none of them deserved awstracism for what they did. They didn't deserve the bigotry and prejudgice that America showed them after returning. People would stare at me if I wore my combat boots when I went somewhere. Yeah, when I passed they would stop walking, turn around and stare. Like I was a monster or something. I haven't forgiven Joe Sixpack and Susie Mae bathrobe for their behavior even yet and it's been like 45 years ago now. My sister finally, in 2004, thanked me for my service and it was only because she was my sister that I didn't tell her it was too futher mucking little too futher muckiing late. And thanks for nothing. Thank you very much.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Now, here is where I admit to being a dumbass, as though that wasn't already obvious, but that last screen grab with the rows and rows of Japanese TFs, what the heck is that? I've never played a Reluctant Admiral so maybe I don't know how it works, are those false reports or what?

(1) Those were real TF's that actually and really were right where they were depicted as being.or (2) I did a cut and paste of a TF and multiplied it many times over to confuse and flammox the reader as to the real whereabouts of my actual TF's so as to maintain OPSEC..

Larry,
First - I want to tell a story - as a 12 yr old, I met a guy who was a WWII veteran. His left hand only had 3 fingers, he told me then and I'll never forget it, "I was one of the lucky ones who came home" when he told me his tales as a B-26 pilot... he was on his 30th mission in 1943 when his plane got hit in attacking an desert fort in Africa. His co-pilot got killed and he crash landed back at his base - thats where he lost his fingers... He told me something else I'll remember ot this day " I went because they told me to go - I fought because they told me to fight - and I'll vote in every election because I EARNED that right doing it" To this day I make sure I vote in every election because of him and the people like him who didn't get to come home...

Secondly- THANK YOU for your service, I cannot undo what others have done, but I DO know your hurt should not linger, for the same reasons as my neighbor gave me as a child...

PS I went up to my wife's P/T job in the fire marshal's office and a WWII Navy vet was in there getting a smoke detector inspection form filled out. My wife introduced me to him and he was wearing his Navy ball cap... He served on a DD throughout WWII in the S. Pacific. His ship was on picket duty and he saw the second "public" raising of the flag over Iwo Jima from his ship. I would have loved to talk more and my feeble mind cant remember the name of the DD, I thought it was Perry, but that was a DMS and his definitely said DD, so I must be wrong.

Anyway I thanked him for his service and he thanked me for that... I just don't get people... they enjoy the freedoms veterans have given them, and then s*it on them when they did what they were told to do!!!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!! stop, breathe deep, exhale,repeat...

Finally thanks for the kind words Larry - but I worked in a "fart factory" ie; roomful of blue collar guys! - LOL I like the riposte but I don't always carry it off well...

Thanks again

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
...I thought he was kidding about ending that AAR....

I didn't realize that you were kidding. I've not read the forum rules yet, wasn't planning to, and thought you were quoting an actual rule and took it that way. I seriously thought it proper to end the Allied AI AAR so as not to break the rule. I must have missed the [:D] symbol if you used one. Sorry, I'm not always in a great mood lately. I'm considering taking my meds around noon instead of around mid-night. Maybe that'd help.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Larry? I'm really sorry, I meant no disrespect, please continue that AAR

No need to appologize really....no harm done. And there was no disrespect as far as I could see so rest easy big guy. We're still friends.

Um.........I like Bullwinkle's comment about this AAR, Moo's AAR, being a source of help for him and my presence styfiling that. I can totally see that. Moo needs all the help he can get and I'm thinking it might be appropriate for me to bow out of this AAR so you guys can give him all the help he needs and more. I can always send Moo stuff via email so he can chose whether or not to post it for me etc. So for the good advice that Moo needs I feel it's better if I just quit reading this one and bow out gracefully so you guys can feel free to pile on the advice. OPSEC needs override whatever I might contribute anyway. And I can continue the Allied AI AAR and obtain whatever expert advice trickles down from the experts there. Hey we both win. So I'm officially signing off this AAR with this, post. I'll not read it henceforth and respect Moo's OPSEC thereby.

Oh.....and by the way geofflambert dude....his name got clipped in the title from Moore to Moo because of the length of the title verbage and I'm only calling him Moo myself because you did and I thought it was cute.

Everybody cool? Okie dokie then.

[moore4807]

Bullwinkle - I appreciate your input and post, but I respectfully disagree about the outcome. This is my first AAR and I didn't expect that many people to look... reputation seems to account for a lot in these AAR's (deservedly so) [;)], I'm more about the fun/funny than OPSEC and I'm a fanboy of Larry's AAR style and writing ability.

I meant it when I said I would be happy if mine was HALF as good as Larry's. My strange sense of gallows humor has a hit or miss approach and I'm definitely one whose writing can be misread.

Maybe its just me - but has ANYONE lost an Allies campaign without being a total idiot or trying to blow up the game? There are a lot of good advice and tutorials around the AAR's and even on youtube! My experience came from playing the A.I. I just recently got the free time (and confidence) to attempt playing with the big boys, but I do NOT consider myself a noob (maybe too cocky?), I'm maybe one step higher.[:D][:D][:D]

I accept criticism and believe you are giving me good advice...but its not what I want from this AAR right now...Thomas Edison failed over two hundred times before he invented the light bulb and I'm not expecting a better average [:)][:)][:)]

geofflambert - I have no problem with you posting here, I also have no dealing with you other than here, (apparently your on the wrong side of Bullwinkle) If you have something to say, joke, inform, participate, help...by all means P O S T!!!

Still thanks for your time and participation... I'm always up for bantering and even just to say yo! (philly/S. Jersey area greeting)