OT - Meyers Briggs

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The characters in a John Grisham novel would love that.  All of them end up on some Carribean Island immediately after solving the unsolveable, overcoming unbeatable evil, and winning the winsome lass.

Yes, and like Napolean, all the John Grisham characters are inherently evil-being as they're attorneys and all. [;)]





ETA: KIDDING!

[Canoerebel]

You're right, Poultry Lad!

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

The MBTI went around the forum once a few years ago. If I recall correctly INTJ was the most common type, probably around 40% with the other three _NT_ types making up another 40% of the forum.

I've been qualified to give the real MBTI since 1998 and I've had an interest in the system since 1982. I've taken the MBTI as well as several of the knock offs.

A word on test results, because of the nature of the test, the results are a probability that the test got the letter right. If the score for a letter pair is strong one way or the other, it is an indication that the test is pretty confident it got it right. If the score is close to 50/50 that is not a measure of relative strength, but a low probability the test got it right. If there is muddiness in any scores, the best way to tell for sure what you're preference is to do a bit of reading as you did and determine which resonates the best.

You indicate the your scores were muddy for J/P. That's very common for Introverts because of the way J/P was defined when the MBTI was created. The first three letter categories came from the work of Carl Jung. Introvert/Extrovert is called the Orientation. It's about how you are oriented to the outside world. Extroverts tend to engage the world to think and Introverts need to step back and create some space from the world to think.

Sensing/iNtuition is called the Perceiving Function. It is what we engage to gather information (perceptions) about the world. Feeling/Thinking is the Judging Function and it is what we engage to make decisions (judgements) on the information we have. Of the middle two letters, one is always extroverted and the other is always introverted. One is also always the dominant function (the favorite, most used) and the other is the auxiliary (2nd best).

Judging/Perceiving was invented by Myers and Briggs when they came up with the test to point to which of the middle two letters was extroverted. For an Extrovert, this points to the dominant function (the extroverted middle letter is always dominant for Es), but for Introverts J/P points to the Auxiliary because the dominant is always the introverted one of the middle letters.

Because for Introverts J/P points to the 2nd best letter, tests can sometimes come out hazy on J/P for Introverts because when answering the questions for J/P you may answer some thinking about how you interact with the world (when using your Auxiliary) and other times think about how you operate when using your dominant Introverted function which is Dominant.

All this is assuming someone who is generally mentally healthy (no serious mental illnesses or serious cognitive deficits). The system is not valid for people who have abnormal personality development due to some serious mental condition. (I'm talking about mental problems that get people institutionalized or fairly severe retardation.)

There are many books out there on this stuff. The system isn't so magical seeming when you understand how it works.

I'm an INFJ BTW. Though I fake INTJ fairly well from living in a society that encourages males to be T, coming from an all T family, then 8 years of technical education followed by a career in engineering.

Bill

...i've taken the MB several times over the years...i've also taken one that uses D.I.S.C. as the characteristics (Directive,Influencing, Stability, Conscientious, IIRC) but don't recall the name of the test...it was eye opening for me as a manager in our complany because it gave real insight into why certain people behave as they do and the best way to deal with the certain types...

is D.I.S.C a MB knock-off or considered a separate model/test?

PS - if you really want to blow your own mind, google luscher (sp?) color test online...place 7 or 8 colored cards in order and the order speaks volumes...at least it did for me...knowing what all the colors signify considerably influenced the test for me, though, upon repeated tests...

[danlongman]

It seems to me if you do one of these type of tests honestly the results should be "Uh-huh" mixed with "oh sh*t! not ME!"
I like the Luscher colour test because you cannot cheat it the first time unless you really try.
cheers

[denisonh]

It is in interesting test if answered honestly as already pointed out. I took it in college and then again many years later. It was interesting to see how the results changed/did'nt change over the years.
I was an ENTJ as a young cadet at the Citadel (100% N and T, 80% J and 55% E), and years later only change was the J turned to a bare majority for J. Still solid NT hasn't changed.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

...i've taken the MB several times over the years...i've also taken one that uses D.I.S.C. as the characteristics (Directive,Influencing, Stability, Conscientious, IIRC) but don't recall the name of the test...

I was part of a commissioned home sales force where the DISC system was the core of the selling process. We were taught different closing techniques to use based on our assessment of the DISC type. The system boiled the types down to animals for a memory aid. As I recall D= bull, I=tiger S=lamb and C =owl.

The initial assessment in the lobby of the model home was to figure out who the prospect was and what they would respond to. I found C's the easiest to close. Just answer all the questions in their Folder of Questions and they self-closed more often than not. I had a lot of trouble with Bulls, probably because I am one too. A lot of the Lambs were females and Lambs are the highest percentage in the population. The female sales people had an easier time with them. A couple of word pictures about throwing a Thanksgiving in their wonderful new kitchen and a lot of them caved. I wasn't so successful with that approach.

[Cap Mandrake]

Hey kids...why don't we make our own Admiral/Edition personality profile? <said with enthusiasm as in a 1930's musical>


After losing 3 carriers in early 1942 I am more likely to:

A) Pretend like I have been killed in a car accident and change my login name.

B) See it as a challenge and form a new carrier group around HMS Hermes.



When setting an combat air patrol for a base I generally:

A) Use the "set all" button and check it every 2 or 3 months.

b) Carefully comb through commanders for their leadership and team buidling abilities, hand pick the pilots, mercilessly weeding out the slow learners and carefully keep track of the altitude of incoming attacks, setting the CAP squadrons to bracket the expected attack altitude. To tell you the truth if the game engine permitted team buidling seminars with guest speakers I would probably do that too.


You get the idea.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

B) See it as a challenge and form a new carrier group around HMS Hermes.

Oh Gawd. Where do I sign up for the car accident?

[Canoerebel]

When I go on vacation I:

a) Fraternize with the children all day long, splashing in the waves together and lavishing milkshakes on them; then, when the sun goes down, I take my spouse to dinner, topping off the evening with a lingering soak in a hot tub, reclining supinely while we relive the pleasures of the life we have built together;

b) Daydream for sixteen hour stretches about how our CL/DD force that is still twenty-seven hexes away from Colombo might arrive unnoticed and ravage to shreds a vulnerable and juicy enemy transport TF laden with irreplaceable troops and equipment, then spend four hours mulling over the possibilities of a northern gambit as opposed to a southern gambit, and just how many airfields are on Hokkaido, what levels can they be built to, and could I stage in aircraft from Attu Island?

[mdiehl]

I've taken it a couple of time. Very intense INTJ results.

[Icedawg]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

When I go on vacation I:

a) Fraternize with the children all day long, splashing in the waves together and lavishing milkshakes on them; then, when the sun goes down, I take my spouse to dinner, topping off the evening with a lingering soak in a hot tub, reclining supinely while we relive the pleasures of the life we have built together;

b) Daydream for sixteen hour stretches about how our CL/DD force that is still twenty-seven hexes away from Colombo might arrive unnoticed and ravage to shreds a vulnerable and juicy enemy transport TF laden with irreplaceable troops and equipment, then spend four hours mulling over the possibilities of a northern gambit as opposed to a southern gambit, and just how many airfields are on Hokkaido, what levels can they be built to, and could I stage in aircraft from Attu Island?

B, B and B some more! [:D]

On a related note: Has anyone ever been caught by their wife/girlfriend spacing out thinking about AE at a time when you shouldn't be?

Wife: "What are you thinking about?"

Me: (staring blankly into space) "I was just recalling that wonderful time we had on that romantic picnic we went on back when we were first dating."

Wife: "No you weren't. You were thinking about that GD game."

Me: "No, honest, I wasn't Hiryu. Err, I mean Honey."

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

When I go on vacation I:

a) Fraternize with the children all day long, splashing in the waves together and lavishing milkshakes on them; then, when the sun goes down, I take my spouse to dinner, topping off the evening with a lingering soak in a hot tub, reclining supinely while we relive the pleasures of the life we have built together;

b) Daydream for sixteen hour stretches about how our CL/DD force that is still twenty-seven hexes away from Colombo might arrive unnoticed and ravage to shreds a vulnerable and juicy enemy transport TF laden with irreplaceable troops and equipment, then spend four hours mulling over the possibilities of a northern gambit as opposed to a southern gambit, and just how many airfields are on Hokkaido, what levels can they be built to, and could I stage in aircraft from Attu Island?

Yes...that would be the Sociablity-Hopeless Geekdom axis.

[Justus2]

ORIGINAL: denisonh

It is in interesting test if answered honestly as already pointed out. I took it in college and then again many years later. It was interesting to see how the results changed/did'nt change over the years.
I was an ENTJ as a young cadet at the Citadel (100% N and T, 80% J and 55% E), and years later only change was the J turned to a bare majority for J. Still solid NT hasn't changed.

I had a similar experience, took it years ago at Officer Basic Course, was INTJ. Retook it a couple years ago at another course. I expected the results to change, I had been pretty shy back then , so I understood the I part, but figured all these years later, with lots of work experience dealing with people on a regular basis (public speaking and one-on-one counselling), I would show up as an E. I mentioned this to my instructor, she laughed and said 'wait for the results'.

To my suprise, I was still solidly I. The instructor explained it using the 'charged/drained' framework, as mentioned earlier, and I knew it was spot-on - I have developed the ability to deal with people, but I still don't thrive on it, it was/is still draining to me and I look forward to getting home and getting deep into a good book or strategy game! The funny part was, as she explained it, she told me she was an I as well - I would never have believed it, as she seemed a very outgoing person, dynamic speaker, etc. To me it was a validation of the accuracy of the test in identifying underlying traits, understanding that it determines our predispositions, not our capabilities.

[geofflambert]

Did I say something? I think not.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Where do you go to take this test?  Will I get a lollipop if I take it?  I'm not going to do it if I don't get a lollipop!  If any of you take the test, where can I find you so I can steal your lollipop?  Please don't lick it before I get to you.  I'm sick and tired of people licking my lollipop before I get a chance to. 

I can give you the real MBTI if you want, though I need to charge you for it to cover my costs. There are a number of online tests available that range from a little less accurate than the real MBTI to pretty poor.

I know the creators of these tests:

http://greenlightwiki.com/lenore/inventory.html
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm

These are among the higher quality type tests online.

Bill

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Where do you go to take this test?  Will I get a lollipop if I take it?  I'm not going to do it if I don't get a lollipop!  If any of you take the test, where can I find you so I can steal your lollipop?  Please don't lick it before I get to you.  I'm sick and tired of people licking my lollipop before I get a chance to. 

I can give you the real MBTI if you want, though I need to charge you for it to cover my costs. There are a number of online tests available that range from a little less accurate than the real MBTI to pretty poor.

I know the creators of these tests:

http://greenlightwiki.com/lenore/inventory.html
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm

These are among the higher quality type tests online.

Bill

Thanks, wdolson, what do I owe you? This should be quite exciting! I've had plenty of diagnoses, many uttered with bated breath, but so far none of them seem to acknowledge the true genius of my character. Perhaps this will be an exception.

[morganbj]

Ive done it a number of times. Always came out JERK.

[Lokasenna]

My results always depend on which test I take. Taking the two linked above... I basically got IxTP both times, but the E/I is very weak and the P/J isn't nearly as strong as T/F. Some tests I've taken give me an E, and I've even had a J pop up once or twice. While I'm not steeped in psychology, I took a handful of courses in college, and I think as a child I was more strongly an IxTP. Through socialization and coming into adulthood, I think I've developed into more of an (I/E)xTp. Of course, I also have mild (no need for medication) episodes of hypomania, during which my results would probably lean more heavily towards ESTP than IxTP. Starting in adolescence I seemed to have alternating (and urgent) needs for interaction vs. alone time.

Of course, during this alone time I was likely to be playing some sort of involved wargame. Started with PTO2 on the SNES and kept playing it off and on until I found WITP earlier this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if just about everyone here is an xxTx, and would wager that 50%+ is IxTx. I'd be amazed if an F felt drawn to a strategy game, let along one as in-depth as this one.

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: bjmorgan

Ive done it a number of times. Always came out JERK.

[:D][:D][:D]

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

My results always depend on which test I take. Taking the two linked above... I basically got IxTP both times, but the E/I is very weak and the P/J isn't nearly as strong as T/F. Some tests I've taken give me an E, and I've even had a J pop up once or twice. While I'm not steeped in psychology, I took a handful of courses in college, and I think as a child I was more strongly an IxTP. Through socialization and coming into adulthood, I think I've developed into more of an (I/E)xTp. Of course, I also have mild (no need for medication) episodes of hypomania, during which my results would probably lean more heavily towards ESTP than IxTP. Starting in adolescence I seemed to have alternating (and urgent) needs for interaction vs. alone time.

Of course, during this alone time I was likely to be playing some sort of involved wargame. Started with PTO2 on the SNES and kept playing it off and on until I found WITP earlier this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if just about everyone here is an xxTx, and would wager that 50%+ is IxTx. I'd be amazed if an F felt drawn to a strategy game, let along one as in-depth as this one.

Raises hand: here is one of the few Fs here (and one of the development team to boot). [:)] I got my first Avalon Hill game for Christmas when I was 5. Though I wasn't able to play even a simplified version of the rules until I was around 10. By my estimate, this forum probably is about 75-85% T.

When a score comes out 50/50 for a letter category or close to it, there is usually a push pull between who you really are and outside pressures to be someone else. In your case it sounds like the N/S falls into this category. This could happen if for example your natural preference was for N and you came from a family that stressed S values, or vice versa.

This happened to my mother who is ISTJ, but had a domineering N father who encouraged her to act like an N. She fakes N well, but it's not her natural preference. She married an N and had two very N children. The difference shows in our family where she would want the Normal Rockwell family gatherings and the three Ns would sit around talking science (leaving her out entirely).

It's also not uncommon for Introverts to score softly in the J/P category. According to a theory from one of the pros in the field (she hasn't published it, so I don't know if I can say who), some people have a hard boundary between inner and outer world and others have a soft boundary. Those with a soft boundary are more likely to show people their inner thinking processes while those with a hard boundary are rarely going to show the world their thought processes.

Introverts with a hard boundary tend to test very solidly on J/P while those with a soft boundary tend to test closer to the middle. My SO is a hard boundary introvert and she always tests close to 100% J. I'm a soft boundary and I've always tested closer to 50/50, but my preference is clearly J which can be determined with Type Dynamics.

Bill