** Why is Marder II hard attack so low in comparison

[LiquidSky]

The OOB's for those earlier GDW games were done before all the freedom to information from the war opened up. And the designers at the time didnt have access to the wealth of information, including feedback from others with access to information that newer designers have now.

There has been a new Fire in the East coming out (called Total War) for like the last ohhhhhhh...century or so The maps have been released for it, but the latest in the soap opera is that a fire in the apt building that they live is preventing them from shipping out the game. http://www.hmsgrd.com for all the gory details.

[aspqrz02]

Yeah, I was motivated to check up on what the status was with Europa ... and read about the fire. If I understand, the latest reprint was about to go to the printer, too [X(]

And here I was almost thinking of putting in an order for the complete pack ... my copies went adrift some years ago, they may be in storage boxes, or not. Still got WitE and WitW, though ... and lots of others (including that very first Panzerblitz!)

Phil

[Jeffrey H.]

ORIGINAL: jjdenver

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4
I think it may be the same game but with different packaging. Mine says GDW Europa Game 1, Fire in the East and then "22 June, 1941: Drang Nach Osten..."
I got mine in the USA, so they probably changed the packaging a little for that market.
My extension is called "The Urals" - takes the game about 50-100 hexes further east.

There was an early edition called Drang Nach Osten with an extension called Unentscheiden..

I had a copy of those in zip lock bags, they were'nt boxed.

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley

ORIGINAL: aspqrz

Ah, see, mine was *First Edition* for both ...

1973

... like I said, dates me [X(]

You, on the other hand, have Fire in the East, the 1984 reprint

I call trumps [X(]

Got mine direct from GDW by mail, way way back, around the time I had a direct from SPI in USA subscription to Strategy and Tactics, and only a year after I bought Panzerblitz ... this was before there was really anywhere much to buy boardgames here in Sydney, let alone in Australia ... had to jump through hoops to get US$ Bank Drafts in those days, you had to justify why you wanted them ... no Credit Cards or PayPal [X(]

Read all about S&T on the back of Analog Science Fiction Mag, as I was a big SF Fan (and still am) ... so, yes, 1st Edition!

Phil

LOL boys will be boys with their pissing matches of whos the better wargamer.
Always someone who has liked wargames longer. I remember when i was a kid my dad got me a battle of gettysburg board game that we played together. That was really a lot of fun and my first taste for loving wargames. Well and loving MD (my home) based Avalon Hill.

So, does that mean you win?

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: LiquidSky



The OOB's for those earlier GDW games were done before all the freedom to information from the war opened up. And the designers at the time didnt have access to the wealth of information, including feedback from others with access to information that newer designers have now.

There has been a new Fire in the East coming out (called Total War) for like the last ohhhhhhh...century or so The maps have been released for it, but the latest in the soap opera is that a fire in the apt building that they live is preventing them from shipping out the game. http://www.hmsgrd.com for all the gory details.

I have to meet the guy who drew this map - he's got to be the Olympic champion of war game development! Do you think he drew the entire Europa map???

http://hmsgrd.com/images/consimworld_web/agc_early.jpg

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

ORIGINAL: jjdenver

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4
I think it may be the same game but with different packaging. Mine says GDW Europa Game 1, Fire in the East and then "22 June, 1941: Drang Nach Osten..."
I got mine in the USA, so they probably changed the packaging a little for that market.
My extension is called "The Urals" - takes the game about 50-100 hexes further east.

There was an early edition called Drang Nach Osten with an extension called Unentscheiden..

I had a copy of those in zip lock bags, they were'nt boxed.

I guess what you had was 'Europa Lite'

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley

ORIGINAL: jjdenver

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4
I think it may be the same game but with different packaging. Mine says GDW Europa Game 1, Fire in the East and then "22 June, 1941: Drang Nach Osten..."
I got mine in the USA, so they probably changed the packaging a little for that market.
My extension is called "The Urals" - takes the game about 50-100 hexes further east.

There was an early edition called Drang Nach Osten with an extension called Unentscheiden. Then later they remade it as Fire in the East, Urals, and Scorched Earth.

I think it's being re-made yet again with further refinements. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

Those were fun games. I spent lots of time playing them in my youth.

But I'd like to see a divisional scale 41-45 Russian Front game made by Vic or a modder. The regimental scale is just too much to be do-able at that level.

Divisional scale shouldn't really be too hard you just replace withe regimental pieces with divisional pieces and it should all come together pretty easily.

For germans korps would be the main unit along with X# of divisions
For russians it would be armies & divisions.

It's a pretty cool system i'm a fan of it. Maybe i will do that jjdenver. I was working on my "Case Blue Extra" Scen that does some tweaks but maybe to set myself apart it needs to be divisional scale. Though the logistics of OOB and such is where i'd need some help.

Forget that - build this! http://hmsgrd.com/images/grandeuropa%20_west.jpg

[Toby42]

I had all of the original Europa Series. The maps were awesome when they were all laid out on my rec-room floor. It took me days to set-up all of the counters!

[aspqrz02]

Decisive Campaigns: War in Europe!!!

Grand Europa and setting up counters, pfui!

[:)][X(][:D]

Phil

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: aspqrz

Decisive Campaigns: War in Europe!!!

Grand Europa and setting up counters, pfui!

[:)][X(][:D]

Phil

Yep, and you can't really take Europa with you when you travel either - imagine what you'd have to tell the hotel staff to stop them from tidying your room!