Im getting crushed Rroberson v CV2 (No CV2 allowed)

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: rroberson

Koumac.

Having a terrible time supplying it. For some reason it's not drawing supplies overland from Noumea so I cannot keep more then 20 supplys there. I suspect I have it overstacked as I am trying to create the USS New Caledonia and build up the airbase and fortresses at both Noumea and Koumac. I have even sent a cargo ship full of supplies right to the base but no go. I'm going to back out a couple of the non-construction units to see if that helps.

There's a dot base, LaFoa, in the middle on the road to Koumac. I don't think supplies will flow to the end of the island unless you populate LaFoa with something. I usualy just send a lone amphib xAKL directly to Koumac and get building. Depends on what he has around though.

Koumac can't be overstacked; unlimited troops. But it starts with an 8000 supply limit before spoilage.

ah good to know I was sending the french troops there (they had been at Koumac) thinking that might be the issue.

thanks for the info.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

New Caledonia can be a prison camp for the Allies. Early on, Japan can take it if Japan wants it. Committing troops there is a good way to get troops killed (plus their transports sunk if your opponent is coming hard and fast). Be very, very careful about committing too far forward. Noumea is tough to defend (despite good terrain) since Japan can land two or three divisions up the coast and waltz right on across the island. Japan can impose a pretty tight blockade, especially since you can't risk your carriers any further. Noumea is not real important to you under the circumstances. You probably need to be concentrating more on Oz and maybe a redoubt somehwere in SoPac - maybe Pago Pago or Christmas.

I have begun to build a series of defensive points to help protect my shipping between San Francisco and Auckland.

Auckland is growing to become my main supply depot. I have begun to build up Pago, Suva, Noumea and Tahiti with fighters, patrol planes and troops etc...I'm calling it the Roberson highway. I established Christmas Island as my forward supply depot day after the game started so it is building up nicely as well. The idea was to ship everything to San Francisco (nothing moves out of San Diego as he had a few subs poking around there at the start of the game) embark at SF and ship to Christmas Island. Unload, reembark on shipping from the South Pacific and drive down the highway to offload at Auckland. After that I decide what goes where along the front lines.

I discovered after my train wreck of a game with Xargun that aggressive Japanese players have no issue with sending carrier forces deep into the south and southwest pacific so I wanted to set up a patrol line this time around that way I don't suffer any surprises.

My big loss at Lunga was because my patrol planes at Noumea werent robust enough and I really thought I could sneak up and reinforce Lunga before he could get boots on the ground there given his interesting campaign strategy to date. I was coming to doubt he had any interest in that area.

[khyberbill]

How much of a threat is there for him to march south from darwin and split oz in two? I haven't played with the allies very often over the years...so Im unsure...but has that happened?

Why not try it with me and see what happens? Perth is so boring this time of the year since the white sharks are off feeding elsewhere.

All kidding aside, build up the AF in Alice Springs/Cloncurry (like I have in our game) and pound into dust anything he sends down the road from Tenant Creek. Those Australian Beaufighters are useful here and B17s can be devastating on troops in the open. Nothing will venture very far south because he can not provide LRCAP. Be careful in New Caledonia. I beefed it up against JohnIII and he took it all. If you are concerned about this area, I would flood the ocean around there with S boats.

And where is my turn?

[Canoerebel]

It's possible you're being too optimistic and aggressive in SoPac. If your opponent has big plans there, he can handle anything you try to do this early at many of those bases. If you have your heart set on these and commit too much there, you'll walk right into defeat.

Of course, it's possible that your opponent doesn't have big plans there so that you'll have the time needed to secure these bases. Just sayin' that's it's chancy to commit to a strategy too far forward early in a game against an experienced and aggressive opponent.

Besides, you really don't need to worry about the LOC between West Coast, NZ and Oz. It's not very important to you. If your opponent threatens or severs that particular LOC you can switch to others that are just as effective and perhaps even more secure.

SoPac was a center of attention in the Real War, but isn't particularly important in AE (unless two players decide it's important and thus commit forces there).

[rroberson]

Here is a quick grab of Koumac.
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More later as the boss wants some video edited.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

How much of a threat is there for him to march south from darwin and split oz in two? I haven't played with the allies very often over the years...so Im unsure...but has that happened?

Why not try it with me and see what happens? Perth is so boring this time of the year since the white sharks are off feeding elsewhere.

All kidding aside, build up the AF in Alice Springs/Cloncurry (like I have in our game) and pound into dust anything he sends down the road from Tenant Creek. Those Australian Beaufighters are useful here and B17s can be devastating on troops in the open. Nothing will venture very far south because he can not provide LRCAP. Be careful in New Caledonia. I beefed it up against JohnIII and he took it all. If you are concerned about this area, I would flood the ocean around there with S boats.

And where is my turn?

LOL its coming its coming busy few days at work.

My biggest problem with B17s is there really is no place to base them from in the Aussie interior...airfields are under construction but the lack of actual engineers or construction units means it going to take a lot of time.

Im pretty intent about holding Noumea...having to fall all the way back to Auckland isn't a plus (as you know in our game)....good idea with S boats.

Why not try it with me and see what happens? Perth is so boring this time of the year since the white sharks are off feeding elsewhere.

All kidding aside, build up the AF in Alice Springs/Cloncurry (like I have in our game) and pound into dust anything he sends down the road from Tenant Creek. Those Australian Beaufighters are useful here and B17s can be devastating on troops in the open. Nothing will venture very far south because he can not provide LRCAP. Be careful in New Caledonia. I beefed it up against JohnIII and he took it all. If you are concerned about this area, I would flood the ocean around there with S boats.

And where is my turn?

[rroberson]

SoPac was a center of attention in the Real War, but isn't particularly important in AE (unless two players decide it's important and thus commit forces there).

completely agree even in my games as the Japanese...yet I feel compelled to defend it..probably too much history in my veins.

[Canoerebel]

I hear you. There is a natural love of the Pacific given the real war. When it calls to us, it calls to us. There is no disregarding the sirene song of the open seas, flattops, strike sorties, and sun-kissed atolls. Good luck!

[khyberbill]

LOL its coming its coming busy few days at work.

Rob, in the Mod we are playing, the Allies start at a very distinct disadvantage and even though you have already taken Geraldton, I am not even breaking into a sweat. I admit I have not lost three CV's. You need to think about taking what you have left and planning an ambush somewhere. Perhaps near Alaska if he comes with mini-KB. Or, if you feel it is the right thing to do, consider joining with the Brits in the Indian Ocean. Do you hold Coco Islands? If so, that draws the Japs like a bear to honey and they rarely bring enough. Having your CVs there also is nice if he decides that Ceylon has beaches he wants to bathe in. As an Allied player, I try to avoid CV battles until the July upgrades are finished, the planes upgraded and the fighter units expanded and only commit them once I know where KB is located. I am just not good enough to commit them earlier and have lost lots of CVs proving that.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: rroberson

Here is a quick grab of Koumac.
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You have a 1522 Supplies Required number because you have 16,000+ men eating groceries. Additionally, you're building forts and airfield at the same time. Even with LaFoa populated I think you're going to struggle to pull enough supply from Noumea to do this work with that garrison. You need to land some supplies directly on Koumac, and not one xAKL load.

I'm with CR here; Koumac might not be your top priority right now.

[witpqs]

I really don't understand the issue of supply not flowing well from Noumea to Koumac. You do own La Foa and all the hex sides on the island, right?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I really don't understand the issue of supply not flowing well from Noumea to Koumac. You do own La Foa and all the hex sides on the island, right?

I was wondering the same. I know that supply flows better through a built-up hex than through a basic dot hex, but I didn't know it made a difference to have some troops there. What are they doing - hiring the locals as porters?[;)]

[Dan Nichols]

rroberson, how about a screen capture of Noumea?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I really don't understand the issue of supply not flowing well from Noumea to Koumac. You do own La Foa and all the hex sides on the island, right?

I was wondering the same. I know that supply flows better through a built-up hex than through a basic dot hex, but I didn't know it made a difference to have some troops there. What are they doing - hiring the locals as porters?[;)]

I always thought that having an LCU there was required, but that it's disguised most places by there being multiple routes. Noumea is one place with a straight line, one-path setup. If an LCU is not required I'd like to know.

[rroberson]

rroberson, how about a screen capture of Noumea?

Soon as I sneak home.

I'm going from memory here but this morning's turn saw a slight build up of 150 plus supplies in the hex there now. I did move a cargo ship in with over 2K of supplies to drop off there so the units I have there should be fat with supply. I did also start back a few units out of the hex and sending one to the dot hex between the two bases. As I recall Noumea was sitting on 80K plus in supplies...sooo

In other news, not much news. He is still killing chinese left and right though he appears for the moment to have stopped at Sian. I have been raising my share of hell with his supply lines (dropping lone units across them and making him dig them out). But honestly if he decides to swat me he will drive into the interior at will.

Burma is just about entirely his as I have all but backed out of it. run away run away

His carrier duo (trio?) hit Port Hedland and smacked around Isabel...the lone ship I couldnt get out before he showed up...I have swung everything around the corner but if he comes further south around Carnarvon he will catch a few smaller APs that I had stored in there due to fuel issues.

You guys have made me hesitate with my south Pacific plans...so I am mulling pulling back out of New Caledonia entirely. I get that he gets to run amok for 6 to 8 months...but I would like to make him pay "some where" for that freedom. I had always thought New Caledonia was a good place (same with Koepang though he surprised me jumping past it)to do that. I "always" try to grab it in my Japanese games because you can threaten the hell out of the shipping lines and put a hurt on Australia.

Mull Mull.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I really don't understand the issue of supply not flowing well from Noumea to Koumac. You do own La Foa and all the hex sides on the island, right?

I was wondering the same. I know that supply flows better through a built-up hex than through a basic dot hex, but I didn't know it made a difference to have some troops there. What are they doing - hiring the locals as porters?[;)]

I always thought that having an LCU there was required, but that it's disguised most places by there being multiple routes. Noumea is one place with a straight line, one-path setup. If an LCU is not required I'd like to know.

I really do not believe an LCU is required. This thread is the first I've heard anything like that, nor have I ever made an observation like that.

Now, if you want to use the supply draw button at a base you do need an LCU, else the supplies required is "0" and increasing the supply draw button has no effect.

[CyrusSpitama]

Now, if you want to use the supply draw button at a base you do need an LCU, else the supplies required is "0" and increasing the supply draw button has no effect.

I was not aware of this requirement. I shall try to test this concept in my current game.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy



I was wondering the same. I know that supply flows better through a built-up hex than through a basic dot hex, but I didn't know it made a difference to have some troops there. What are they doing - hiring the locals as porters?[;)]

I always thought that having an LCU there was required, but that it's disguised most places by there being multiple routes. Noumea is one place with a straight line, one-path setup. If an LCU is not required I'd like to know.

I really do not believe an LCU is required. This thread is the first I've heard anything like that, nor have I ever made an observation like that.

Now, if you want to use the supply draw button at a base you do need an LCU, else the supplies required is "0" and increasing the supply draw button has no effect.

That may be what I'm thinking of. I can't think of many bases with only one way in or out though. Alaska maybe?

[witpqs]

Parts of India, I think.

[rroberson]

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Noumea as requested.