Women In the Infantry

[Titanwarrior89]

What if you had a 18 year old daughter.....if they go ahead with this, what comes next, the draft if ever needed. That would have to include women...young women.

ORIGINAL: Dixie

I'm all for it, I may be in a minority but I don't see any reason why not.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

What if you had a 18 year old daughter.....if they go ahead with this, what comes next, the draft if ever needed. That would have to include women...young women.

ORIGINAL: Dixie

I'm all for it, I may be in a minority but I don't see any reason why not.

My wife and I, with our daughter, had that horrifying discussion. Women are different and special. Men are expendable(to some degree) but not mom's and daughters.

[Sarge]

Wait till Allah Kaboom starts parading 20yr female POW’s in front of cameras

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

Wait till Allah Kaboom starts parading 20yr female POW’s in front of cameras

God forbid. I hate Kaboom.

[Titanwarrior89]

Korea, 1979...I know it was a while ago, but I seen this with my own eyes.   Division road march(18 miles).  We in the 38th Inf with the 23rd and the 9th following, started the road march with the rest of the division following.  So what happened!  Troops were spread out for miles, this was with just in  LBE, a helmet and m-16.  What would have been the case with a 90lb. winter ruck or 60lbs for a summer ruck.   Not including the basic combat load for each grunt.  They had vehicles following picking up stragglers...85 percent of them were women in those duce and halfs. 
 
I love you guys, but some of you....don't have a clue.[:-] 

[Titanwarrior89]

Oh by the way, don't think I don't respect women....some of the best field recruiters I had when I was on recruiting duty were female.  Plus once, I got the worst A$$ kicking in racket ball from a female, and I had the court reserved.  My partner didn't show and she ask to KNOCK it around awhile until he showed.  Well he never showed[:-] and I got my butt kicked.  She was good....and she wasn't fat but heavy set.  I never forgot that.[:o][X(][:D]

[parusski]

Titanwarrior89 intoned:

I love you guys, but some of you....don't have a clue.

But which guys? There are two distinct groups on this issue. The insane group who think women should be used as cannon fodder and the completely logical group who know that is a bad idea.[8D]

[ilovestrategy]

As long as the physical requirements are the same with everyone I don't mind.

[EisenHammer]

Woman warriors seem to do all right in Starship Troopers.
Just saying.
Cool movie.

[parusski]

Well, according to the Washington Post:

"To graduate from boot camp, soldiers must perform 35 pushups and 47 situps and run two miles in at least 16 minutes and 36 seconds — but that’s only for male soldiers.
Female troops are required to do 13 pushups and 43 situps and run two miles in 19 minutes and 42 seconds."

And:

"In the 1990s, the British army, under political pressure to put women in traditional male jobs, adopted a “gender-free” policy with identical fitness requirements for both sexes and abandoned its “gender fair” system of separate standards.
A decade later, Dr. Ian Gemmel conducted a study for the British army’s personnel center. He found that the number of women who could qualify for basic training decreased in the “gender-free” system, as more women dropped out of training because of injury, compared with the “gender fair” system of separate fitness requirements.
This study confirms and quantifies the excess risk for women when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits,” Dr. Gemmel reported."


Why is there a difference? I think it is self explanatory.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/30/army-may-train-women-for-rigor-of-front-lines/?page=all

[Fred98]

People will recall the Titanic and the “women and children first”.

I recently did a short cruise. We had a life boat drill and the “women and children first” thing officially does not exist.

However, on a sinking ship, no man would take the place of a woman or child in a life boat. It is built into us.

Men in combat will look after each other but given that one of your team mates is a female would that affect the thinking of a squad leader?
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[Titanwarrior89]

ORIGINAL: parusski

Titanwarrior89 intoned:

I love you guys, but some of you....don't have a clue.

The insane group who think women should be used as cannon fodder [&o] and may I had to your quote=those that want to be policitally correct no matter what the cost.

[goodwoodrw]

I agree with Mr Smith personal Hygiene is a very private thing for some, maybe not for others. A perfect example is my wife, we have been together for over twenty years both ex reservist, certainly not prudish and nakedness is not an issue. Now she hasn't a problem sharing the bathroom when it comes to urinating, but periods and pooing is another thing she still locks the door 20 years on. Some things a very private to some individuals, and all training in the world ain't gunna change it. I spent thirty years in the reserve and I have seen many grown men going troppo when it come to communal ablutions. And there a lot of men and women out there that struggle with nakedness of the same sex as well the opposite. It just takes one individual man or women in a team to become uncomfortable to screw the morale of it. The issue is not just about strength the implications are far greater than that.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

ORIGINAL: parusski

Titanwarrior89 intoned:

I love you guys, but some of you....don't have a clue.

The insane group who think women should be used as cannon fodder [&o] and may I had to your quote=those that want to be policitally correct no matter what the cost.

The insane group who think women should be used as cannon fodder and may I had to your quote=those that want to be policitally correct no matter what the cost.

That is what I thunked.

[Titanwarrior89]

Interesting....read e'm and weep guys.

ORIGINAL: parusski

Well, according to the Washington Post:

"To graduate from boot camp, soldiers must perform 35 pushups and 47 situps and run two miles in at least 16 minutes and 36 seconds — but that’s only for male soldiers.
Female troops are required to do 13 pushups and 43 situps and run two miles in 19 minutes and 42 seconds."

And:

"In the 1990s, the British army, under political pressure to put women in traditional male jobs, adopted a “gender-free” policy with identical fitness requirements for both sexes and abandoned its “gender fair” system of separate standards.
A decade later, Dr. Ian Gemmel conducted a study for the British army’s personnel center. He found that the number of women who could qualify for basic training decreased in the “gender-free” system, as more women dropped out of training because of injury, compared with the “gender fair” system of separate fitness requirements.
This study confirms and quantifies the excess risk for women when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits,” Dr. Gemmel reported."


Why is there a difference? I think it is self explanatory.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/30/army-may-train-women-for-rigor-of-front-lines/?page=all

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: BASB

I agree with Mr Smith personal Hygiene is a very private thing for some, maybe not for others. A perfect example is my wife, we have been together for over twenty years both ex reservist, certainly not prudish and nakedness is not an issue. Now she hasn't a problem sharing the bathroom when it comes to urinating, but periods and pooing is another thing she still locks the door 20 years on. Some things a very private to some individuals, and all training in the world ain't gunna change it. I spent thirty years in the reserve and I have seen many grown men going troppo when it come to communal ablutions. And there a lot of men and women out there that struggle with nakedness of the same sex as well the opposite. It just takes one individual man or women in a team to become uncomfortable to screw the morale of it. The issue is not just about strength the implications are far greater than that.

LOL. I have been married 27 years, and I have never seen my wife poop(or even smelled it). My wife and daughter always have the answer to on the issue of chicks in combat--"WHY?"

Why indeed? Political correctness, the bane of modern society.

[Titanwarrior89]

Something for thought also.....in combat situations, long term combat when people are really, really tired and just do not want anymore of it....what ever it is....will do what it takes some times to get out of that situation.  Such as shooting their selfs in the foot, the hand.  But lets say all you have to do is get pregnate...probley get chaptered but your not in that situation any longer...no gun shot wound in the leg or hand or else where.  Now before you get your dander up....Who are dishonest the most, or lie the most men or women.  Well neither, but their both capable of it in extreme situations-So how many would want to get out of the "Situation their in" without refusing a order, self inflicted wound.  Probley not much great than it would be for men...but at the time alot less pain.

[Titanwarrior89]

I went into the Army when there was wooden barracks with a line of 10 toilets and guys lined up pooping with no privacy dividers.....just pass roll. I still like too Poop in private and so does my wife.

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: BASB

I agree with Mr Smith personal Hygiene is a very private thing for some, maybe not for others. A perfect example is my wife, we have been together for over twenty years both ex reservist, certainly not prudish and nakedness is not an issue. Now she hasn't a problem sharing the bathroom when it comes to urinating, but periods and pooing is another thing she still locks the door 20 years on. Some things a very private to some individuals, and all training in the world ain't gunna change it. I spent thirty years in the reserve and I have seen many grown men going troppo when it come to communal ablutions. And there a lot of men and women out there that struggle with nakedness of the same sex as well the opposite. It just takes one individual man or women in a team to become uncomfortable to screw the morale of it. The issue is not just about strength the implications are far greater than that.

LOL. I have been married 27 years, and I have never seen my wife poop(or even smelled it). My wife and daughter always have the answer to on the issue of chicks in combat--"WHY?"

Why indeed? Political correctness, the bane of modern society.

[Qwixt]

I don't have a problem with a "“gender fair” system of separate fitness requirements" for combat roles because I don't think many women will pass it, and it shows they have physical fitness level. I remember I had the M60 in the last company I served in (a reward for having a short-timer attitude [;)]), and it took a bit of strength to pull the cocking handle back, not sure many women could do it. Perhaps the M60s are in better shape these days, but when I was in, it seemed like 50% of them jammed easy and were crap to use.

[Titanwarrior89]

ORIGINAL: parusski





Yes,Yes....Parusski you should have started this thread....the man goes ahead of the line.[&o]

Why indeed? Political correctness, the bane of modern society.