Laugh n a 1/2 - Manstein63 now allowed

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Not necessarily. Sometimes they suck up so many replacements (being put on Refit to make them worth something) that they end up hurting the Soviets in the short run.

Actually I think he has something here from all the AAR's i have gone through. We shall see on turn 10 then 20 then 50 where we are at.........

Go terge! KILL KILL KILLQ! Death to the RED Menace!

So genius what panzer division did you manage to screw into the ground on turn #1 and bring its CV to 5? CAn we get a screen-shot of its organization please?

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Not necessarily. Sometimes they suck up so many replacements (being put on Refit to make them worth something) that they end up hurting the Soviets in the short run.

Actually I think he has something here from all the AAR's i have gone through. We shall see on turn 10 then 20 then 50 where we are at.........

Go terge! KILL KILL KILLQ! Death to the RED Menace!

So genius what panzer division did you manage to screw into the ground on turn #1 and bring its CV to 5? CAn we get a screen-shot of its organization please?

I think it was one of the light blue ones. Since this is a server game, I cannot take a pic atm.
Tbh, where I am at at the end of -41 is less of a concern than how many units I lose during the Blizzard. WOuld be nice if I actually took LG though...


Terje

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Not necessarily. Sometimes they suck up so many replacements (being put on Refit to make them worth something) that they end up hurting the Soviets in the short run.

Actually I think he has something here from all the AAR's i have gone through. We shall see on turn 10 then 20 then 50 where we are at.........

Go terge! KILL KILL KILLQ! Death to the RED Menace!

So genius what panzer division did you manage to screw into the ground on turn #1 and bring its CV to 5? CAn we get a screen-shot of its organization please?

I think it was one of the light blue ones. Since this is a server game, I cannot take a pic atm.
Tbh, where I am at at the end of -41 is less of a concern than how many units I lose during the Blizzard. WOuld be nice if I actually took LG though...


Terje

I agree with you 100% on the importance of keeping your losses down to a minimum in the crazy blizzard blitz that has evolved in the game. A major key to your last game victory was not losing 20= divisions and bleeding to death in the winter of 41'. I know,amongst a host of other factors as well.[:D]

After a rather conservative German first turn in the encirclement field I am very interested to see what turn #2 brings in.

[Oloren_MatrixForum]

Go Terje Go!!

Will be nice to follow your AAR instead of rushing through it at the end.

Quick question... I'm sure you have a good reason but why doesn't AGN push on Dvinsk (Daugava)on T1? It looks like you have your powerful units at Riga which are not well positioned to threaten Pskov early. Of course, I'm confident you have some dastardly plan already worked out.

Since you beat the snot out of me last game, I have to be appropriately subdued, but the armchair general stuff is fun.

Best wishes on this one Terje,
Brad

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Oloren

Go Terje Go!!

Will be nice to follow your AAR instead of rushing through it at the end.

Quick question... I'm sure you have a good reason but why doesn't AGN push on Dvinsk (Daugava)on T1? It looks like you have your powerful units at Riga which are not well positioned to threaten Pskov early. Of course, I'm confident you have some dastardly plan already worked out.

Since you beat the snot out of me last game, I have to be appropriately subdued, but the armchair general stuff is fun.

Best wishes on this one Terje,
Brad

Hey Brad [:)]
Easy to answer. As Sillyflower pointed out, T1 is NOT something I do well. In our last game I think I did not complete the souhtern pocket untill T3...
I simply needed all those units to actually take Riga, and even now it was close with one held result before I actually took it.
Plan?! Try for LG, avoid mass losses during Blizzard, and try to really hurt the USSR in -42. Apart from that, there is no masterplan [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
I agree with you 100% on the importance of keeping your losses down to a minimum in the crazy blizzard blitz that has evolved in the game. A major key to your last game victory was not losing 20= divisions and bleeding to death in the winter of 41'. I know,amongst a host of other factors as well.[:D]

After a rather conservative German first turn in the encirclement field I am very interested to see what turn #2 brings in.

Yup, the German factories takes a beating they never really recover from imo if the Axis take too many losses during the Blizzard.
Yeah, I too am interested in seeing what T2 brings [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

Turn 2

Overall
There is no doubt. 1. I am rusty, and 2. Sean is not [:D]
Most pockets were reopened, and the panzers around Minsk were cut off. This invasion is not off to a grand start, so let us hope things pick up. Pockets have been reformed, but we have lost a turn more or less all over the front. Sean left us a surprise in the south. See map below.
The USSR launched 3 attacks, and scored 3 helds, so no big concern. We however still score way too many helds. Need to stop that somehow...
101 attacks gave the results of 21 helds, 54 retreats, 16 routs and 10 surrenders.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
9.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
63.

Losses
USSR : 110.000 troops, 1.720 guns, 1.161 AFVs, 198 AC.
Axis : 25.000 troops, 182 guns, 164 AFVs, 61 AC.

USSR units destroyed
4 Fortified regions, 3 NKVD Border Regiments, 1 PVO AA Regiment, 1 AT artillery Brigade, 5 Rifle Divisions, 1 Motorized Division, 2 Tank Divisions.

German Pools
Manpower : 519
Vehicles : 216.323
Armaments : 98.992
Hiwi : 11.428

[terje439]

Turn 3 aka I think I am in way over my head

Overall
Someone forgot to tell Sean that he is playing the USSR and that this is 1941. He is not running, in fact he is launching attacks several places. So far in my "career", I have managed;
-beaing beaten to a pulp as the USSR
-defending Das Reich for longer than anticipated
-achieved Lebensraum for Das Reich.
In this game however it seems I am about to set a new record : "shortest advance by any Axis player"... For the full extent of Sean's play, see below.
The USSR launches 10 attacks, scoring 7 helds, 2 scouted and 1 retreat (against some Rumanians), and reopened the southern pocket as well as cutting off "some" of my units...
I only managed 65 attacks this turn for a result of 14 held, 30 retreats, 12 routs, 1 shatter and 8 surrenders. This is NOT good.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
11.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
56.

Losses
USSR : 124.000 troops, 1.622 guns, 1.352 AFVs, 81 AC.
Axis : 25.000 troops, 157 guns, 99 AFVs, 64 AC.

USSR units destroyed
1 NKVD Border Regiment, 1 PVO AA Regiment, 1 Motorcycle Regiment, 1 Cavalry Division, 4 Rifle Divisions, 1 Motorized Division, 3 Tank Divisions.

German Pools
Manpower : 367
Vehicles : 216.205
Armaments : 98.965
Hiwi : 18.075
The losses I take are currently so high that I cannot get my manpower pool to increase [8|].

[Tophat1815]

Better screen of where you are and how you are stuck like a bug on fly paper. Hate to say this and its not glamorous,but you have to cover your advance or a good player will sacrifice units left and right exploiting openings to help keep you pinned. Call it aggressive rear guard tactics. Worrynot you always suck in 41' anyway,if things were going good I'd be concerned.[:D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Better screen of where you are and how you are stuck like a bug on fly paper. Hate to say this and its not glamorous,but you have to cover your advance or a good player will sacrifice units left and right exploiting openings to help keep you pinned. Call it aggressive rear guard tactics. Worrynot you always suck in 41' anyway,if things were going good I'd be concerned.[:D]

Hehehehe true true.
Where I am located;
-1 hex south of the part of the Baltic going in towards LG, 5-7 hexes east of Riga
-Surrounded Minsk
-about 5 hexes east of where I was in the Rumanian area on T1.
So, NOT good at all ^^


Terje

[terje439]

Turn 4

Overall
Sean once more break the pocket around Minsk and encircle my units instead. The Lvov pocket remained sealed however. No matter, this turn I decided that I have to think in smaller terms atm, and form smaller more secure pockets. In the North I am now one hex east of Narva, and since LG is the main goal for 1941, that is not too bad, but it depends upon what the USSR can send up north. I see alot of units in the south, so I hope that that is his main focus, but I doubt it...
The USSR lanched an attack on one of my panzer divisions this turn and caused a retreat [X(], this is not good at all.
We launched a total of 86 attacks, and scored 13 helds, 1 scouted, 45 retreats, 10 routs, 3 shatters and 14 surrenders.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
52.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
45.

Losses
USSR : 180.000 troops, 1.865 guns, 1.677 AFVs, 210 AC.
Axis : 29.000 troops, 231 guns, 152 AFVs, 58 AC.

USSR units destroyed
3 Fortified Regions, 7 NKVD Border Regiments, 1 PVO AA Regiment, 1 Corps Artillery Regiment, 2 AT artillery regiments, 1 Cavalry Division, 4 Rifle Divisions, 2 Motorized Divisions, 3 Tank Divisions.

German Pools
Manpower : 135
Vehicles : 215.020
Armaments : 80.693
Hiwi : 25.757

[juret]

GL terje. gonna follow this one to!

dont make to big pockets and risky operations

[sillyflower]

Your best bet is to confuse him with your unorthodox style of play.[:D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: juret

GL terje. gonna follow this one to!

dont make to big pockets and risky operations

At this point I will be happy with ANY pocket that HOLDS [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Your best bet is to confuse him with your unorthodox style of play.[:D]

So far it has not worked, he has confused me though...
Wait...Does that mean that my best "weapon" is actually working for Sean?!
That cannot be good [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

Turn 5 aka I claim a new title!!!

Overall
....
OK. I hereby claim the title of "Worst start for the Axis. Ever!".
This was not at all a good turn. I think I am still set on a "USSR runs"-mode. Too bad Sean is not...
Lvov-pocket REOPENED...Not sure how he managed that. Well, I am actually. He launched 7 attacks, and scored 4 helds, 1 scouted and 2 retreats. And with that the pocket was reopened.
And then we got MUS this turn [8|]. As an effect we only managed 16 attacks, scoring 1 held, 5 retreats, 3 routs and 7 surrenders.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
12.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
30.

Losses
USSR : 48.000 troops, 794 guns, 522 AFVs, 45 AC.
Axis : 12.000 troops, 62 guns, 45 AFVs, 24 AC.

USSR units destroyed
3 Fortified Regions, 1 NKVD Border Regiment, 3 PVO AA Regiments, 3 Rifle Divisions, 1 Tank Division.

German Pools
Manpower : 47
Vehicles : 202.722
Armaments : 74.808
Hiwi : 34.866

[loki100]

looks like this game will be a wee bit different ...

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: terje439

Turn 5 aka I claim a new title!!!

Overall
....
OK. I hereby claim the title of "Worst start for the Axis. Ever!".

that title belongs to others I'm afraid, as I have had several opponents give up by T5. Perhaps 'worst and still playing at T5' is more accurate though not very catchy.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: loki100

looks like this game will be a wee bit different ...

Yup, no question there [:D]

Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: terje439

Turn 5 aka I claim a new title!!!

Overall
....
OK. I hereby claim the title of "Worst start for the Axis. Ever!".

that title belongs to others I'm afraid, as I have had several opponents give up by T5. Perhaps 'worst and still playing at T5' is more accurate though not very catchy.

Hehe ok. I'll take it though [:D]


Terje