Grand Campaign May 42

[pcellsworth]

I wonder why it shows 15 major and 0 damage. seems kind of strange.

[pcellsworth]

I've notice that with the version of the game I'm using that when the Japanese capture PM, some ships that were sunk prior to the start of the scenario show up as sunk. I did go an inactivate some of the majors so it would not show but there are probably many more to do. When I have time I will try to take care of those. At the moment I'm finishing up my master's degree in computer science so time is short.

[pcellsworth]

Hi pcellsworth, I want to make a question: in your mod the 11th Sentai, 50th Sentai and 64th Sentai
of the 5th Air Div, started with Ki-43-Ic Oscar and do not have any upgrade in the future (if you
play PDU=OFF); it's a deliberate choise or there is an error? Regards.

It is probably an error - there should be an upgrade path. Next time I'm working on this scenario I will see if I can change it. I wonder if it was in the Dec 7th scenario they were withdrawn.

[Mozo]

Sorry to bump but can anyone be so kind as to answer my earlier question about playing as Japan? Is there an American AI script?

Thanks again,

Mozo

[quertice]

ORIGINAL: Mozo

Sorry to bump but can anyone be so kind as to answer my earlier question about playing as Japan? Is there an American AI script?

Thanks again,

Mozo

no, scenario at begin didn't have any ai, then pcellsworth added japan script, so now scenario is playable vs ai only as allied player

[spence]

The location of just about every Japanese ship can be found in the TROMs of the individual ships at CombinedFleet.com.

A few notes:

1)HIJMS KAGA was in drydock in Japan on 1 May completing hull damage repairs suffered during the DEI Campaign when she hit an uncharted rock.

2)HIJMS JUNYO was in Japan and had not even completed sea trials or been commissioned.

Needless to say neither was in the Indian Ocean.

3)On 5 May the HIJMS HYUGA suffered a turret explosion in #5 Main Turret which destroyed both guns and which was never repaired: the turret was replaced by 3 triple 25mm AA guns. A few days later HIJMS ISE suffered an stuck induction valve which flooded her #2 engine room. Both casualties occurred after 1 May however the effect was that for that month that Battleship Division was unavailable. Probably, both ships were fitted with radars during May because they were in the shipyard anyways.

[quertice]

ORIGINAL: pcellsworth

I wonder why it shows 15 major and 0 damage. seems kind of strange.

in editor i notice there is 0 flood damage instead of 15, while there's 15 major flood damage, simply a distraction error

[buckaroo13]

Oh, this is the type of Campaign I've been looking for.

Since I'm assuming this isn't an official scenario how does the AI compare to the official grand campaign or is this primarily meant for PBEM?

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: buckaroo13

Oh, this is the type of Campaign I've been looking for.

Since I'm assuming this isn't an official scenario how does the AI compare to the official grand campaign or is this primarily meant for PBEM?

If you scroll up a little... [;)]

It's mostly meant for PBEM, it seems. There are AI scripts if you are playing the Allies.


@Spence: thanks for the info. That's stuff I didn't know, and we don't ever have to deal with it in the game. In a May '42 start, it would be neat if those ships started with those alterations. Put them both in the shipyard even though it's May 1.

[buckaroo13]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


If you scroll up a little... [;)]

It's mostly meant for PBEM, it seems. There are AI scripts if you are playing the Allies.

Thanks, I understood that. I meant is the Japanese AI of the same caliber as the official full campaigns?

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: buckaroo13

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


If you scroll up a little... [;)]

It's mostly meant for PBEM, it seems. There are AI scripts if you are playing the Allies.

Thanks, I understood that. I meant is the Japanese AI of the same caliber as the official full campaigns?

Ahhh. Apologies for misreading.

I think maybe you'll just have to try it and find out [;)]. Not sure anybody knows as yet! IIRC pcellsworth just did them the other week.

[buckaroo13]

Lokasenna

Ahhh. Apologies for misreading.

I think maybe you'll just have to try it and find out [;)]. Not sure anybody knows as yet! IIRC pcellsworth just did them the other week.

Cool, even though I'm late to the while WiTP:AE Party I can still be on the cutting edge. I think I'll try and install this tonight and give it a go.

[spence]

@Spence: thanks for the info. That's stuff I didn't know, and we don't ever have to deal with it in the game. In a May '42 start, it would be neat if those ships started with those alterations. Put them both in the shipyard even though it's May 1.

What the Japanese conducted in early 1942 was something of a "Surge Operation". It could not go on forever and so for a while just about the start of this scenario they were in the position of having to maintain/repair their ships (particularly the KB) which had been operating without a significant M&R period for 5 months. Failure to scrape the barnacles off the bottom means reduced speed and increased fuel consumption. Boilers need to be re-tubed and re-bricked (requires a cold plant) or speed is lost and fuel consumption goes up. Lots of stuff to do and no time spent doing it (need a drydock and a cold plant) between Pearl Harbor and the Coral Sea.
Only the Main Battle Fleet wasn't running itself ragged during that time (But then again 2 out 7 of those ships still suffered nearly catastrophic casualties).

A couple of the KONGO's and the CHIKUMA/TONE cruisers both went into the yard for a bit towards the end of April. Weren't in there very long but they were not available at the very beginning of the scenario.

[pcellsworth]

Everybody was getting ready for Midway. Some gunnery practice and minor repairs. I can represent this with non-major system damage.

It would be easier to start later in May but Japanese activities in the Coral Sea early in May are important for future direction of events.

[pcellsworth]

Issues for me to look into (some of these will force the scripts to change btw)
1. 11th Sentai, 50th Sentai, and 64th Sentai only Oscar I ac.
2. Saratoga with unusual damage (She became available May 25th in SD so I will change her start date and remove damage).
3. Are the original scripts realistic for playing Japan vs Allies as computer.
4. B5N and D3A pools too large.
5. Kaga and other major ships repairing or refitting in Japan.

I'll check the majors tonight. Then I'll have to think about the script changes.

[cohimbra]

About point 4, I'll take the liberty of suggesting you to look also at the G3M3 pool;
there are 203 a/c in the pool, and this model can be produced since 05/42.

[quertice]

I would have in a future a pbem with your scenario with historic japan air industry, so i have searched in USSBS the historic japan production in may '42 for every type of airframe and engine
pcellsworth, are you interested to implement this data in scenario to make it more historical?

by now i have found data( i have searched in USSBS reports dedicated at every aeronautical industry, i have found all them on scribd, there is the list to know what to search http://www.scribd.com/doc/37153340/USSB ... acific-War ; data are into chartes or appendix of reports), when i'll have free time i'll put every data in a only one chart

[quertice]

in USSBS there are even data about japan production, so it is possible to estimate how much increased HI, armament, and vehicle factory from stock scenario to may '42

pcellsworth, you writed "I made a slight increase to Japan's industry - small enough not to change game balance - but an improvement in their industrial base that would be similar to what they would have done historically.", have you done this improvement in japan industry refering on historic data? if no, i can estimate these data by USSBS, like i wrote also for air production

[spence]

The question of Japanese a/c production is an important beginning point for this scenario.

I mentioned before that "Shattered Sword" recounts that the Japanese High Command, prematurely anticipating the imminent arrival of the D4Y and B6N, shut down production of the D3 and B5; leading to a shortage of replacement a/c which severely impacted the number of a/c carried by the Kido Butai et al into the Battle of Midway and the Aleutian Campaign.

The number of D3A1's produced was about 470 +/-. I have added up the number of D3A1s in this scenario:

POOL: 303
ZUIKAKU, SHOKAKU, KAGA, HIRYU, SORYU: 24 each = 120
AKAGI: 25
JUNYO: 18
LAND BASED IN 3 UNITS: 27
TO BE PRODUCED PRIOR AUGUST 42 (D3A2 PRODUCTION STARTS): 39 (assuming no increase)

TOTAL: 532

ABOUT 60 MORE THAN WERE EVER PRODUCED ASSUMING NO COMBAT OR OPERATIONAL LOSSES SINCE THE A/C
WAS INTRODUCED IN 1940 (including no less than 6 months of high intensity operations).

[quertice]

so have kate and val pools to be almost empty(less than 10 units?) in this scenario?