Update on the next WitE update

[Gabriel B.]

Sir , the moving of romanian cavalry , is really necesary ?

A agresive soviet player can beat them back with the unfrozen units .

17th rifle corps
2nd mechanised corps
176 rifle division
39th tank division
2 nkvd regiments

[Toidi]

Gabriel,

Seriously, you cannot rely on beating a unit when initial chance is 1:2.3, especially so on the first turn with all the penalties incurred on the Soviet fighting.

I doubt that the result you show is repeatable; once you take into account the variability of starting Soviet morale and number of movement points, it becomes totally unreliable...

Not to mention that attacking still neutral Romania is morally wrong [8|]...

T.

[timmyab]

ORIGINAL: Toidi
I doubt that the result you show is repeatable; once you take into account the variability of starting Soviet morale and number of movement points, it becomes totally unreliable...

Not to mention that attacking still neutral Romania is morally wrong [8|]...

A quick experiment shows the chances of success to be somewhere between extremely low and non existent.Gabriel, are you playing on normal setting?
Romania wasn't neutral.The units are frozen because Hitler decreed that the Romanian front should take a defensive stance.

[Gabriel B.]

Normal setings, counteratacks by soviet armor happend on romanian bridgeheads that is a fact .
I consider it a small payback for the airstrikes on turn 1.[;)]

and for those willing to experiment :

this is the most important battle of turn 1 ( go Zhukov if need to )
try to score a scouting atack in the first try .
lauch deliberate atacks next
atack as the picture show.

[timmyab]

I've done all possible command optimizing and spoiling attacks and I've never got close.I've never had enough MPs for a deliberate attack.Can you do it again?If you can, take us through the precise process will you.I think you might have got some kind of freak result there.

[Gabriel B.]

a picture is worth 1000 words .

if you cannot beat the remaining cav bde you deserve to be encircled .

[Gabriel B.]

Btw with which unit did you try to do deliberate ?

[timmyab]

Yeah, I can't even get close.We must either be using different patches or different difficulty settings.
Another thought.Are you using a campaign to test or a scenario, that could be it.

[Flaviusx]

He's doing hasty attacks, TimmyAb, not a deliberate attack.

Note that in each game these units are going to vary in starting morale, so this isn't a slam dunk. And it is a moot point. The change is in.

Gabriel, you are missing the entire point of this revision, which is to disallow the super Lvov period. Whether or not there is a response to it isn't the issue. The larger issue here is that people are trying to game the surprise turn and do very ahistorical things with it, beyond even the original and quite ridiculous Lvov opening. That one cannot be fixed easily. This can.

[timmyab]

I know he's doing hasty attacks, still can't get close.I actually managed to get a 70 vs 33 attack this time, my best yet.It failed miserably - 210 vs 50.

[Flaviusx]

Did you replace the commanders involved? I think you want to put in somebody decent in 18th Army and whatever other HQs are involved to make this fly. A high mech leader.

The whole thing is still dumb, though. We're just going down the rabbit hole of iterations of how to counter the super Lvov.

Cutting the Gordian knot is best.

[timmyab]

Zhukov no less.I'm coming to the conclusion that he's not patched up to date.

[Gabriel B.]

Imho there is a simple solution to the uber lvov thing.

simply agree with your opponent not to divert mechanised forces south .
the small lvov losses are tolerable on the long run .

[Gabriel B.]

True, but that is not why your attacks failed .

70 on the romanian side means they were not soften up at all .

[hfarrish]

I'm in the Marquo / Flav camp. Game is just not worth the time investment right now, particularly as a Soviet player. I appreciate the devs efforts to keep it in a decent state and will absolutely try future products, but so long as the Soviets can get rolled in '41 by the insane T1 + flying gas can approach with someone who knows what they are doing, you are just setting yourself up.

[fbs]

ORIGINAL: hfarrish
I'm in the Marquo / Flav camp. Game is just not worth the time investment right now, particularly as a Soviet player.

Hey, I'm having a good time as soviet player vs. AI. I roleplay it and don't do anything that involves upfront knowledge of future events (like running away like a rabbit just because I know I won't be shot in the head for doing that).

[hfarrish]

Fair point - I've never really played against the AI but probably should give it a shot. Have heard it actually is pretty fun these days.

[Bozo_the_Clown]

This has probably been asked before in a different thread so I apologize in advance.

Once the patch is released and I install it will I be able to continue my old games?

Thanks in advance!

[Walloc]

Yes, apart from any possible data changes and ofc rules cant have an effect retroactivly. The only case where it hasnt been true was with the 1.07 pacth where the save structure was altered to minimize possible cheating IIRC.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

[carlkay58]

Also note that if you continue with a saved game from an older version, any OB and data changes will not happen until you start a new game.