[FIXED B447] Winchester? At the airbase? Out of fuel?

[JRyan]

Well the scen is over. I think I won as I had a major victory but zero points. I never could figure out how to deploy the marines etc...I had the landing craft near the drop zones etc. Its late and I am tired, I will have to find out tomorrow.

SIDE: Spain
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
6x AV-8B Harrier II+ [Night Attack]
6x F/A-18A Hornet
2x P-3B Orion
1x KC-130H Hercules [T.10]
2x SH-3H Sea King [HS.9]
1x Falcon 20C-ECM [TM.11]
1x AB.212 Colibri EW
1x SH-3W Sea King AEW


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
74x RIM-66M-2 SM-2MR Blk IIIA
130x AIM-120B AMRAAM
26x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
19x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
13x AIM-9L Sidewinder
2x 25mm GAU-12/U Burst [60 rnds]
24x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
45x AN/SSQ-62A DICASS
23x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
14x AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder
5x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
15x AN/SSQ-53A DIFAR
22x AGM-88B HARM
14x AGM-65E Maverick Laser
15x RIM-66E SM-1MR Blk VI
11x F17 Mod 2
3x RUR-5A Mod 4 ASROC RTT [Mk46 Mod 5]
18x RGM-84D Harpoon IC
5x RIM-66A SM-1MR Blk IV
8x Mk245 GIANT Flare
114x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
85x 127mm/54 HECVT
4x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]



SIDE: NAIL
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
14x F-16C Blk 42 Falcon
3x E-2C Hawkeye Group II
5x Mirage F.1CH-200
4x 670 Ramadan
6x SA.565MA Panther
3x L 9030 Champlain [BATRAL Class]
4x SH-2G(E) Seasprite
2x F 911 Mubarak [Perry]
4x MiG-25P Foxbat A
8x Mirage F.1ED
4x MiG-29 Fulcrum C
11x Mirage F.1CH
4x S 849 Romeo
1x Sea King Mk47 [HAS.1]
2x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-55 ICWAR)
3x M192 I-HAWK
2x 012 Rais Hadj Mubarek [PL-877EKM Kilo]
3x F 946 Abu Qir [Descubierta]
1x S 311 Al Badr [PL-641 Foxtrot]
1x 801 Rais Hamidou [Pr.1234E Nanuchka II]
1x LST 1179 Newport
1x 416 Ziyad [Pr.1234E Nanuchka II]
2x F 951 Najim Al Zafir [Jianghu Type 053H(E)]
13x Su-24MK Fencer D
5x F-4E Phantom II
2x 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159 Koni]
3x Radar (AN/TPS-63)
10x SSC-3 Styx TELAR [3P51]
8x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
21x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
12x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
5x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
36x AN/SSQ-62C DICASS
44x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
26x AIM-7M Sparrow III
12x AIM-9M Sidewinder
8x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
16x Protean Chaff
5x RIM-66E6 SM-1MR Blk VIB
8x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
4x 20mm/85 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 0 Burst [200 rnds]
11x Mk182 SRBOC Chaff [Seduction]
44x Aspide
3x AA-6 Acrid A [R-40R, SARH]
9x AA-8 Aphid [R-60T]
19x Super R.530F
20x 30mm DEFA 553 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
8x R.550 Magic 1
7x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
8x MIM-23B I-HAWK
6x UGM-84C Harpoon IB
1x NT-37F
21x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds]
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
2x 53-65KE WH
7x SA-N-4a Gecko [9M33]
2x AK-725 57mm/80 Twin Frag Burst [6 rnds]
5x AK-306 30mm/54 Gatling Burst [50 rnds]
2x AK-725 57mm/80 Twin HE Burst [6 rnds]
25x Generic Chaff Rocket
6x PK-16 Chaff [TSP-60U]
30x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
3x AGM-65B Maverick EO
2x AIM-7F Sparrow III
3x SET-65M Enot-2 [NATO ET-80A[76]]
2x SA-N-4a Gecko [9M33M]
1x AK-726 76mm/60 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
3x AS-14 Kedge [Kh-29L]



SIDE: Neutral
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LOSSES:
-------------------------------
4x Biologic Whale
6x False Contact (Small)


EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Neutral
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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[GameBoy]

Thanks for posting! I am experiencing the exact same problem and was about to ask about it on the forums.

[Dimitris]

Guys, help me a bit with this because I'm honestly not seeing a problem.

OK, so I load the provided save. Go to Moron airbase. Bring up the Air Ops window. I see a bunch of F-18s marked as Winchester. I select one of them, "Sqd111 #4". I click on the "Ready/Arm" button. The loadout selection window comes up. I select the "A/A: AIM-120B AMRAAM, Heavy" loadout. I click on "OK - Ready". The Air Ops window is refreshed and I see that the aircraft will be ready in 30 mins. I accelerate the time and the aircraft is indeed readied in 30 mins. (There is a UI bug here that, despite being ready, the aircraft row is still in red font, which should be used only for unavailable/winchester aircraft. But it's a visual, not functional bug. EDIT: Fixed in Build 446.). I select the aircraft and click on "Launch individually". The aircraft taxies to the runway and takes off.

So what am I missing?

[JRyan]

Ok, I will try and see if it is just my PC, who knows...

In the A/C you suggest I get this when trying to ready the specific aircraft..




Any other marked Winchester, I get this..




And finally I have it on the Spainish Carrier also....see the Harrier below,



and I just tested this issue with the following attached zip file: Canary's Cage 03

[CaptCarnage]

Yes exactly same issue with me. Same scenario.

Once all Harpoons are offloaded into the Moroccan fleet, the F18s remain Winchester at the A/B. They cannot be mounted with something else. Even F18s that were mounted Harpoons after starting the scenario with other weapons

[Tomcat84]

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

Guys, help me a bit with this because I'm honestly not seeing a problem.

OK, so I load the provided save. Go to Moron airbase. Bring up the Air Ops window. I see a bunch of F-18s marked as Winchester. I select one of them, "Sqd111 #4". I click on the "Ready/Arm" button. The loadout selection window comes up. I select the "A/A: AIM-120B AMRAAM, Heavy" loadout. I click on "OK - Ready". The Air Ops window is refreshed and I see that the aircraft will be ready in 30 mins. I accelerate the time and the aircraft is indeed readied in 30 mins. (There is a UI bug here that, despite being ready, the aircraft row is still in red font, which should be used only for unavailable/winchester aircraft. But it's a visual, not functional bug. EDIT: Fixed in Build 446.). I select the aircraft and click on "Launch individually". The aircraft taxies to the runway and takes off.

So what am I missing?

Did you load it in editor or game mode?

This bug sounds the same as reported in closed beta a couple days ago by Maromak. I was able to replicate at the time. Unable to check right now with B446.

[Maromak]

I should also mention that I only saw this error occur while in game mode. In editor mode, the error doesn't seem to occur.

[Dannyp19]

I've had this same issue. A workaround I've found is using the mission editor to change load-outs. It works for the maintenance/unavailable aircraft also, Im thinking this is a bug.

Ive also noticed that if one weapon is not available on a load-out, that whole load-out is unavailable. Example: Ive got plenty of dumb bombs but no sidewinders so i cant load. Why cant I just load with dumb bombs and take off even with no sidewinders available?

[smudge56]

You killed 4 whales




[:-]

ORIGINAL: JRyan

Well the scen is over. I think I won as I had a major victory but zero points. I never could figure out how to deploy the marines etc...I had the landing craft near the drop zones etc. Its late and I am tired, I will have to find out tomorrow.

SIDE: Spain
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
6x AV-8B Harrier II+ [Night Attack]
6x F/A-18A Hornet
2x P-3B Orion
1x KC-130H Hercules [T.10]
2x SH-3H Sea King [HS.9]
1x Falcon 20C-ECM [TM.11]
1x AB.212 Colibri EW
1x SH-3W Sea King AEW


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
74x RIM-66M-2 SM-2MR Blk IIIA
130x AIM-120B AMRAAM
26x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
19x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
13x AIM-9L Sidewinder
2x 25mm GAU-12/U Burst [60 rnds]
24x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
45x AN/SSQ-62A DICASS
23x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
14x AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder
5x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
15x AN/SSQ-53A DIFAR
22x AGM-88B HARM
14x AGM-65E Maverick Laser
15x RIM-66E SM-1MR Blk VI
11x F17 Mod 2
3x RUR-5A Mod 4 ASROC RTT [Mk46 Mod 5]
18x RGM-84D Harpoon IC
5x RIM-66A SM-1MR Blk IV
8x Mk245 GIANT Flare
114x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
85x 127mm/54 HECVT
4x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]



SIDE: NAIL
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
14x F-16C Blk 42 Falcon
3x E-2C Hawkeye Group II
5x Mirage F.1CH-200
4x 670 Ramadan
6x SA.565MA Panther
3x L 9030 Champlain [BATRAL Class]
4x SH-2G(E) Seasprite
2x F 911 Mubarak [Perry]
4x MiG-25P Foxbat A
8x Mirage F.1ED
4x MiG-29 Fulcrum C
11x Mirage F.1CH
4x S 849 Romeo
1x Sea King Mk47 [HAS.1]
2x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-55 ICWAR)
3x M192 I-HAWK
2x 012 Rais Hadj Mubarek [PL-877EKM Kilo]
3x F 946 Abu Qir [Descubierta]
1x S 311 Al Badr [PL-641 Foxtrot]
1x 801 Rais Hamidou [Pr.1234E Nanuchka II]
1x LST 1179 Newport
1x 416 Ziyad [Pr.1234E Nanuchka II]
2x F 951 Najim Al Zafir [Jianghu Type 053H(E)]
13x Su-24MK Fencer D
5x F-4E Phantom II
2x 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159 Koni]
3x Radar (AN/TPS-63)
10x SSC-3 Styx TELAR [3P51]
8x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
21x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
12x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
5x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
36x AN/SSQ-62C DICASS
44x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
26x AIM-7M Sparrow III
12x AIM-9M Sidewinder
8x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
16x Protean Chaff
5x RIM-66E6 SM-1MR Blk VIB
8x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
4x 20mm/85 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 0 Burst [200 rnds]
11x Mk182 SRBOC Chaff [Seduction]
44x Aspide
3x AA-6 Acrid A [R-40R, SARH]
9x AA-8 Aphid [R-60T]
19x Super R.530F
20x 30mm DEFA 553 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
8x R.550 Magic 1
7x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
8x MIM-23B I-HAWK
6x UGM-84C Harpoon IB
1x NT-37F
21x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds]
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
2x 53-65KE WH
7x SA-N-4a Gecko [9M33]
2x AK-725 57mm/80 Twin Frag Burst [6 rnds]
5x AK-306 30mm/54 Gatling Burst [50 rnds]
2x AK-725 57mm/80 Twin HE Burst [6 rnds]
25x Generic Chaff Rocket
6x PK-16 Chaff [TSP-60U]
30x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
3x AGM-65B Maverick EO
2x AIM-7F Sparrow III
3x SET-65M Enot-2 [NATO ET-80A[76]]
2x SA-N-4a Gecko [9M33M]
1x AK-726 76mm/60 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
3x AS-14 Kedge [Kh-29L]



SIDE: Neutral
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
4x Biologic Whale
6x False Contact (Small)


EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Neutral
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------


EXPENDITURES:
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[JRyan]

ORIGINAL: Blighty56
You killed 4 whales

[:-]

Sure did, I dont take chances..I have a contact that could be a threat..it dies.

[:D]

[smudge56]

Lol no one is safe. [:D]


If they ever have co op I'll make sure I give your forces a wide birth. [;)]

ORIGINAL: JRyan

ORIGINAL: Blighty56
You killed 4 whales

[:-]

Sure did, I dont take chances..I have a contact that could be a threat..it dies.

[:D]

[JRyan]

I remember when I had Nuc's.....hmmm subs were not very likely to get near me...

[CaptCarnage]

I iced a Moby Dick myself. 97% penetration even.

Rest in peace, big grey buddy.

[smudge56]

There she blows literally. [:D]

[CapnDarwin]

Do they paint whale kills on the sides of conning towers?[:D]

[smudge56]

Comn back flying the jolly roger b[:D][:D]

[JRyan]

Well I'll be...I guess I am not nuts.....well I just had to googlefoo it and...

British Navy mistook whales for submarines and torpedoed them, killing three, during Falklands War

Torpedo Ahead!

[Cafe]

Methinks the "WINCHESTER" thing is not a bug at all. I believe its a secret project to introduce pilot fatigue into Command.

You see, when pilots are fatigued they go for R&R in Winchester, UK. Nearby Avington Park is full of aviators relaxing and enjoying a game of golf at one of the numerous golf courses (and associated club house facilities) to be found in the area.

Going "Winchester" is, as reported above, a euphemism for "out of ammo". What is not explained is that once the plane is no further use in the battle, then for the pilot Winchester becomes the desired destination...hence "going (to) Winchester". This is also an invitation for the other three pilots in a typical fluid four formation to join him/her on the golf course later that day.

I think the real bug here is that the dev group have not yet decided how long after the 19th hole those pilots become available again for missions, hence the ongoing "Winchester" status.

Its a hypothesis...

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

Guys, help me a bit with this because I'm honestly not seeing a problem.

OK, so I load the provided save. Go to Moron airbase. Bring up the Air Ops window. I see a bunch of F-18s marked as Winchester. I select one of them, "Sqd111 #4". I click on the "Ready/Arm" button. The loadout selection window comes up. I select the "A/A: AIM-120B AMRAAM, Heavy" loadout. I click on "OK - Ready". The Air Ops window is refreshed and I see that the aircraft will be ready in 30 mins. I accelerate the time and the aircraft is indeed readied in 30 mins. (There is a UI bug here that, despite being ready, the aircraft row is still in red font, which should be used only for unavailable/winchester aircraft. But it's a visual, not functional bug. EDIT: Fixed in Build 446.). I select the aircraft and click on "Launch individually". The aircraft taxies to the runway and takes off.

So what am I missing?

Did you load it in editor or game mode?

This bug sounds the same as reported in closed beta a couple days ago by Maromak. I was able to replicate at the time. Unable to check right now with B446.

Thanks, I think you are right. I tried it in ScenEdit.

We're working on this.

[CaptCarnage]

Just to add - I have the same situation.

Hit an enemy ship with 2 helos loaded with Penguins. Wanted them to go back and load up Hellfires.
They land on the ship (which doesn't have Penguins left) and when I want to arm them with Hellfires I get this message as well: