AH D-Day

[berto]

Simplicity and basic game play? Here are two SPI classics:

The American Civil War

Frederick the Great

Two of the finest games I ever played.

[sweeteye]

Thanks....the prices are so reasonable I will certainly try them out....It is nice to check out some other game companies products. Ebay is where I picked up my copies of Waterloo and D Day.

[berto]

If you or somebody made PC computerized versions of those games, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. (I'm done with boardgames, so I have no desire to purchase physical paper & cardboard versions.)

They are simple enough that it might be possible to make a decent A/I for them, too.

(Another interesting fact [to me, anyway [8|]]: My name is in the credits for SPI's American Civil War, but as a mere playtester, proofreader or somesuch.)

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: berto


If you or somebody made PC computerized versions of those games, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. (I'm done with boardgames, so I have no desire to purchase physical paper & cardboard versions.)

They are simple enough that it might be possible to make a decent A/I for them, too.

(Another interesting fact [to me, anyway [8|]]: My name is in the credits for SPI's American Civil War, but as a mere playtester, proofreader or somesuch.)

I agree, computerized versions of the old AH classics would be really cool and a great way to get younger players into the hobby. Who owns the rights to them though?

The original marketing for Avalon Hill was for the "12 years and up" market... my big brother bought the first game into the household about the time I was 12. Imagine a 12 year old trying to get into any of our contemporary computer wargames that seem to be targeted towards the adult grognard gamer. It's no wonder we aren't getting new blood into the hobby. They are all going for the arcade "eye candy" instead.

[sweeteye]

I believe the Hasbro company bought out Avalon Hill quite some time ago...I do kind of find it hard to believe that computerized versions of some of the classic games have not been made.... Interesting thought...

[sweeteye]

There are some computerized Avalon Hill games at the NobleNight games website..There is some type of D Day game apparently.....Lots of titles I am not familiar with...

http://www.nobleknight.com/ViewProducts.asp_Q_ProductLineID_E_2137418360_A_ManufacturerID_E_28_A_CategoryID_E_21_A_GenreID_E_0_A_Page_E_1_A_hidepictures_E__A_ItemsPage_E_20

[Numdydar]

I do not even have a 3.5" disk drive on my PC any more lol. So a lot of these will not do me any good [:(]

[GJK]

Play it solitaire or with someone from half-way around the world if you like. Play it live or play it via email. VASSAL was mentioned by the OP:



D-Day module on vassalengine.org

Oh, and if you think that board wargaming died out in the 90's, you're missing a lot of great gaming!

[sweeteye]

I was going to suggest the vassal module also but since there is no AI thought they might not be interested in it.I may have to resort to using the Vassal module myself again for two reasons...I do not have a human opponent to get a game going with at my apartment so vassal multiplayer is looking like a good alternative...Also,I woke up to find that my kitten decided to jump up on the table and lay down right in the middle of the board..Going to try and get the counters back into their positions but it will be difficult to put them back where they were originally were....Darn Cat[:@] At least Vassal is kitten proof...

[Missouri_Rebel]

Time for a barn raisin'.

[sweeteye]

I wish I could....Hopefully as the kitten gets older he will settle down some...I love animals and I have always had a soft spot for cats especially....He knows he is not to be on the table but goes up there anyways...Typical of a cat.....[:-]

[barkman44]

I have fond memories of playing AH's Afrika Korps with my late younger brother.With the british setting up defensive lines and the germans attempting to swing around their southern flank with their powerfull pz divisions.Also had a solitare game with the name Guderian in it,been a long time.It was truly solitare in that you played from the german side and setup all the Russian units upside down.As soon as a german unit entered a Russian zoc you'd flip the units over,never knew what they'd be,a 1-1 inf or a 8-8 armored div.Could really hurt sometimes!

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

I have fond memories of playing AH's Afrika Korps with my late younger brother.With the british setting up defensive lines and the germans attempting to swing around their southern flank with their powerfull pz divisions.Also had a solitare game with the name Guderian in it,been a long time.It was truly solitare in that you played from the german side and setup all the Russian units upside down.As soon as a german unit entered a Russian zoc you'd flip the units over,never knew what they'd be,a 1-1 inf or a 8-8 armored div.Could really hurt sometimes!

PanzerGruppe Guderian, which was playable by 2 players. See http://www.costik.com/spicom/

The thing about Afrika Korps was that it usually came down to a 2-1 attack on Tobruk.

[sweeteye]

Seems like the topic of the older board wargames brings back memories for a lot of folks.I know it does for me also....I came on late to the computer and internet scene...For many years I scoffed at the thought of buying a PC and hooking into the net....Finally bowed down to the computer world about ten years ago...I have always been into wargames,long before computers were available to the general public,and checking out computer wargames was a logical step.After ten years I am finding that most of the games I have bought sit uninstalled and unplayed.I do appreciate computer wargames and the magic that can be done with a computer but I just cannot get used to them....I am still really stuck back in the old days.[;)]

[GJK]

I can't seem to find the pictures that I took of it, but I made a table that the table top can come off of (in 3 sections) and in which there's a 3" recessed area to put my boardgames. I simply cover it with the table top when I'm not playing in order to keep my cat from conducting a blitzkrieg on the game. The table was easy enough to make. If I can find the pictures, I'll post one or two.

Edit: Well that wasn't difficult, see my first post in this thread at Grogheads if interested: http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6028.0

[sweeteye]

Cool idea GJK....I have been thinking about how I can protect my games from my cat.You have solved the problem for me.....When I can I will try and make a table as you have. For the time being I do have a large wide board that can be laid over top of the game,just raised off the main table an inch or two.....my panzer kitten can be held at bay...[:D]

[GJK]

ORIGINAL: sweeteye

Seems like the topic of the older board wargames brings back memories for a lot of folks.I know it does for me also....I came on late to the computer and internet scene...For many years I scoffed at the thought of buying a PC and hooking into the net....Finally bowed down to the computer world about ten years ago...I have always been into wargames,long before computers were available to the general public,and checking out computer wargames was a logical step.After ten years I am finding that most of the games I have bought sit uninstalled and unplayed.I do appreciate computer wargames and the magic that can be done with a computer but I just cannot get used to them....I am still really stuck back in the old days.[;)]

Do you only play the classics or have you seen all of the current releases from companies like MMP, GMT, Worthington and others have produced? Board wargaming came within an inch of it's life when PC's hit and everything was being made for it. Then, and this is my personal belief, Cyberboard & VASSAL (and others) came along and gave a way for the old games to be played on the PC. That started an interest back in to the boardgaming world and now people have rediscovered that the PC can't capture what a boardgame does; physical interaction with the components and mental interaction across the table with an opponent. Check out www.boardgamegeek.com some time if you haven't already. Board wargames cover areas that PC games haven't even touched yet in a lot of places.

[sweeteye]

Good Morning....trying to type and my cat is on his morning apartment rampage...Also trying to get some coffee down the hatch...[:D]....Anyways....Mostly I have played Avalon Hill over the years....Used to have a number of them but have lost track of them gradually.I have played a couple of other games with an old friend of mine years ago but I do not remember what company produced them.AH has always been a mainstay....I did pick up a game called Summer Storm by Clash of Arms Games maybe seven or eight years ago...It is a Gettysburg game...The map is very odd for Gettysburg...It has the town but does not cover the entire battlefield even though it has the complete armies.Very narrow and long map and it is just a sheet of paper with no backing..Never did bother playing it as I have been so turned off by the map..Gradually I am going to build up my collection again and am going to try to add in some titles from different game companies...Physical interaction is what I like about table top games...I like to be able to touch and move the pieces with my hand....So many times I have wanted to put my hand through the computer screen in a vain attempt to touch the map and pieces..Also my eyes cannot take looking at a screen for very long..

[GJK]

I have my cat *mostly* trained now to stay off the tables.

The AH classics were/are great and nostalgic (I too started with them in 1978 or so) but there are oh so much better out there now. I don't want to knock any company and I feel a bit odd discussing other companies on this companies forum so I could suggest a "neutral" website (www.grogheads.com is my personal choice) but check out www.gmtgames.com and www.multimanpublishing.com. Probably the two top-tier board wargaming companies around these days.

[sweeteye]

I know what you mean about discussing other companies here....I probably should not knock other companies when I know first hand what a task it is to create a game..I do feel a little out of sorts here discussing board games since this site is mainly for computer games...I have always liked this forum though as folks are very responsive...I am thinking about setting up some kind of a website for myself since I have a board game developing and need someplace to display it...