So is it playable yet?

[khucke]

Being Derne's playing partner I know this 'no' is an expression of massive frustration of now not being even able to start any new game (See thread in Tech support). This comes on top of an avalanche of bugs that we're struggling with since starting to play the game months ago. Patch progress has been painfully slow and disappointment has been mounting proportionally.

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: Derne

No.

Hi Derne

Welcome to the forums, could you elaborate a little more on the word no, thank you.[;)]

Bo

[Centuur]

On netplay, the answer is indeed no at this moment.

Solitair, it's reasonable.

[Numdydar]

Can't start a new game? I have have never had that issue from the beginning of the launch. I have started many games from GW to scenerios. So it has to be something unique with his system (or mine lol.) Of course this was solitare. I have also been able to start and play a netplay game although never got through a full turn.

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: khucke

Being Derne's playing partner I know this 'no' is an expression of massive frustration of now not being even able to start any new game (See thread in Tech support). This comes on top of an avalanche of bugs that we're struggling with since starting to play the game months ago. Patch progress has been painfully slow and disappointment has been mounting proportionally.

Hi Khucke,

I can image you and Derne's frustration. Been there myself. I have tried to help a bit on his post just now, but am not that knowledgeable in this area. Perhaps logging a formal ticket to Andrew via the Matrix site will give him more support in this area. The knowledge I have I gave in the tech forum, and it came from Andrew just after the release.

Lex

[Dabrion]

What is reasonable for a $100 investment?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

What is reasonable for a $100 investment?

warspite1

Sadly, more than is being delivered at the moment obviously.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

What is reasonable for a $100 investment?

This answer is to be expected from you, I'm afraid. Go trouble the customer service of Matrix with this. Start bombarding them with emails, get a lawyer, etc. etc.

[Dabrion]

I was asking you, as you used the word.. so what is reasonable and how does it relate to the buy price?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

What is reasonable for a $100 investment?

This answer is to be expected from you, I'm afraid. Go trouble the customer service of Matrix with this. Start bombarding them with emails, get a lawyer, etc. etc.

warspite1

It wasn't an answer it was a question, and I don't think an unreasonable (no pun intended) one.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: khucke

Being Derne's playing partner I know this 'no' is an expression of massive frustration of now not being even able to start any new game (See thread in Tech support). This comes on top of an avalanche of bugs that we're struggling with since starting to play the game months ago. Patch progress has been painfully slow and disappointment has been mounting proportionally.

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: Derne

No.

Hi Derne

Welcome to the forums, could you elaborate a little more on the word no, thank you.[;)]

Bo

I am trully mortified that you two cannot enjoy the game because of its many problems. Appreciate your answer I was just curious what "NO" meant nothing evil meant by that. I found his answer errr interesting, and do apoligize to him if he felt I was making a joke of the word no, my intentions were to have him elaborate more on it and you did, thank you

Bo

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

I was asking you, as you used the word.. so what is reasonable and how does it relate to the buy price?

To put in my chip, it would have been more acceptable if it was sold as a ticket to a prerelease. A change to help iron out the full product. A price difference between the two would have been logical.

To put it in perpective - the price of the paper versions was already stiff compared to other ganes - and we had to pay the full monty for every new release as the old one was deemed not good enough.

Let's not start this flame war again please. We have been / are all frustrated. I'd rather help identify bugs, or have fun in the modding forum.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

I was asking you, as you used the word.. so what is reasonable and how does it relate to the buy price?

To put in my chip, it would have been more acceptable if it was sold as a ticket to a prerelease. A change to help iron out the full product. A price difference between the two would have been logical.

To put it in perpective - the price of the paper versions was already stiff compared to other ganes - and we had to pay the full monty for every new release as the old one was deemed not good enough.

Let's not start this flame war again please. We have been / are all frustrated. I'd rather help identify bugs, or have fun in the modding forum.

I agree, however, I'm not the one who keeps muttering about the price and what he's got for it. Mind you, he's right in stating that Matrix doesn't deliver, but I'm tired of being confronted by these kind of remarks. Let him do it in PM to the people at Matrix themselves. It's not helping us any and only increases frustration (of which there is enough around at the moment). I can't stand these kind of remarks and will open fire if someone puts those in here.

But if you all want it, I will cease firing if the other side does so too...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

I was asking you, as you used the word.. so what is reasonable and how does it relate to the buy price?

To put in my chip, it would have been more acceptable if it was sold as a ticket to a prerelease. A change to help iron out the full product. A price difference between the two would have been logical.

To put it in perpective - the price of the paper versions was already stiff compared to other ganes - and we had to pay the full monty for every new release as the old one was deemed not good enough.

Let's not start this flame war again please. We have been / are all frustrated. I'd rather help identify bugs, or have fun in the modding forum.

I agree, however, I'm not the one who keeps muttering about the price and what he's got for it. Mind you, he's right in stating that Matrix doesn't deliver, but I'm tired of being confronted by these kind of remarks. Let him do it in PM to the people at Matrix themselves. It's not helping us any and only increases frustration (of which there is enough around at the moment). I can't stand these kind of remarks and will open fire if someone puts those in here.

But if you all want it, I will cease firing if the other side does so too...

warspite1

To be fair, all he did was ask a question. If you pay $100 for a product, what do you have a reasonable right to expect?

Does that help us? Does that help the game? No of course not, but its a legitimate question - one that Matrix should answer and I, as a consumer of products generally, was happy to. The answer is quite simple.

[Dabrion]

Well, the thread is called "So, is it playable yet?". A question asked by someone who apparently came to the conclusion at some point in the past that it was _not_ playable. I find it misleading to answer affirmative if indeed there was little to no change since.

The other thing is: I was confronted several times that I have too high expectations. I want to know what is so over the top with my expectations and what are adequate expectations.


MWiF fails almost across the board concerning its advertisement.. It is a render engine for counters and a world map with 70% finished ruleset implementation (and apparently untested). Several month after "release" we have seen mostly minor bug fixes. What little we have seen for the netplay is a farce.. If netplay ever works it will be designed for two people.. I personally dont' care for an AI, but I don't give that a fair change either.. In toto, I have absolutely no clue how Steve will be able to deliver within a "reasonable" time frame. And it is not that Matrix sees a problem or will allocate more resources.

Centuur: I personally don't care if you are offended, there is a green button you can use..

[bo]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: AxelNL




To put in my chip, it would have been more acceptable if it was sold as a ticket to a prerelease. A change to help iron out the full product. A price difference between the two would have been logical.

To put it in perpective - the price of the paper versions was already stiff compared to other ganes - and we had to pay the full monty for every new release as the old one was deemed not good enough.

Let's not start this flame war again please. We have been / are all frustrated. I'd rather help identify bugs, or have fun in the modding forum.

I agree, however, I'm not the one who keeps muttering about the price and what he's got for it. Mind you, he's right in stating that Matrix doesn't deliver, but I'm tired of being confronted by these kind of remarks. Let him do it in PM to the people at Matrix themselves. It's not helping us any and only increases frustration (of which there is enough around at the moment). I can't stand these kind of remarks and will open fire if someone puts those in here.

But if you all want it, I will cease firing if the other side does so too...

warspite1

To be fair, all he did was ask a question. If you pay $100 for a product, what do you have a reasonable right to expect?

Does that help us? Does that help the game? No of course not, but its a legitimate question - one that Matrix should answer and I, as a consumer of products generally, was happy to. The answer is quite simple.

I think warspite that centuur is also saying we are getting beaten over the head by remark after remark by many posters and there is nothing we can do about it as beta people, its on Steve and Matrix not us, and whether a poster is right does not help us mentally, nor should it. I have no argument what is said about the $100 I certainly would not be very happy about paying that plus shipping. I would like to say more and someday I just might.

A few posters would be really enjoying the comments in the beta forums this week about MWIF, I just wish I could express what we have all said in a very heated disscusion.

Bo

[Erik Rutins]

Hi everyone,

A couple of comments on this. We are all working as hard as possible to resolve reported issues with MWIF and to meet all players' expectations. It's fair to say that despite our best efforts, NetPlay still has too many issues at this time, though progress has been constant. Solitaire is solid for most players, but there are corner cases in terms of play style and strategy that have uncovered new bugs since release and there have certainly been some more common critical issues in past builds. Many of these have been addressed, others are still on the to fix list.

Steve has been diligently working his way through the reported issues. We're having a discussion today to review the status of MWIF and set priorities for the next month of development, based on feedback from customers and testers. I'll post again here by the end of the week once that review is complete.

Regards,

- Erik

[majordefeat]

Here's a thought!!! Maybe instead of reviewing your customer feedback you should review what you have yourself committed to as part of your advertising of this product:

These issues will be our #1 priority and we expect to have an update available by the end of next week that resolves most or all of them. We're extremely confident in the solitaire/hotseat play and the NetPlay issues are not structural but rather related to rule/action/option cases during gameplay. We do not expect all customers to encounter these issues. We will address the known issues ASAP and any others as they come up. We're committed to prompt post-release support for WIF now and for years into the future.

That would seem to have been what - 7 months ago? To now post that you know the product is not playable in multiplayer format, and yet you continue to market it as such, well I think that is really quite unethical.

[Dabrion]

It is a fraud! They know it.. and they are getting away with it, so they have no inventive to change anything..
This kind of statement by Erik just shows how out of sync he must be with this project.

Personal suggestion: cash out the people and commit ritual suicide to preserve the last bit of honor you might possees..

[Numdydar]

Wow. Over the top as always Dabrion. Have you seriously never bought a game for $60-70 before and were disappointed?
 
If they were not obviously working as hard as they can, I would totally agree with you. But unlike so many other games that I personally have paid big bucks for and the companies involved just abandoned them, Matrix/Steve are still working to fix everything. If they stop and give up, then it is a differnt story.
 
Personally, I would MUCH rather have WiF as a computer game in its current state versus not having one at all. Unlike many of the other high priced titles, with WiF you can still go back to playing the board game versus something just sitting on your HD taking up space.
 
 

[WarHunter]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
Hi everyone,
A couple of comments on this. We are all working as hard as possible to resolve reported issues with MWIF and to meet all players' expectations. It's fair to say that despite our best efforts, NetPlay still has too many issues at this time, though progress has been constant. Solitaire is solid for most players, but there are corner cases in terms of play style and strategy that have uncovered new bugs since release and there have certainly been some more common critical issues in past builds. Many of these have been addressed, others are still on the to fix list.
Steve has been diligently working his way through the reported issues. We're having a discussion today to review the status of MWIF and set priorities for the next month of development, based on feedback from customers and testers. I'll post again here by the end of the week once that review is complete.
Regards,
- Erik

Erik,

You are the face of Matrix coming to this forum asking for feedback. Your message is vague in the kind of feedback you want. So come with me through the minefield you created with this post.
First off, I'm a paying customer. $202.29 to be exact.
As a Hunter of Wargames since the 1970's. I have a pretty good collection of board and computer games. Most are just trophy games now. Boxes arrayed on a shelf. Seen not played.

WiF was always different. It was the game hunter's prized catch. 7 separate boxes, most of the expansions. All bought when playing the game had a safari of players to gather doing allnighters on weekends.
Times change we get older. Most of the gaming done in the past is past. For good and varied reasons.

Now lets fast forward to Order Date: 07 Nov 2013.
On that date i had exactly 2 expectations for the game. One, that i could play it. Two, That i could play it with another hunter.

Imagine my surprise when i read this post from you. IMPORTANT: NetPlay and the WIF Release - 11/7/2013 5:18:20 PM.

Ok, NetPlay component is not shipping. Adapt be flexible. That's life. Using the time to familiarize myself with the game and the community who will be my fellow hunters is not a bad thing. By December i had a good grasp of MWiF.

So happy i even began to think in terms of doing an AAR. It went along smoothy, except for a few nagging problems. Supply was one of them. Absolutely the most important element in a game since wargames. It was not working correctly. If MWiF can't figure out the supply, how do i implement grand sweeping maneuvers? Instead I'm reduced to workarounds. Which makes the game seem disabled. You deal with it til the component is fixed. Until then the wooden peg is all you got. So you watch where you walk, you don't send Germans to Africa.

Resource allocation especially with regards to oil. The workaround, don't play with the oil option.

Are these 2 elements are still being worked on? You tell me. I'm all ears/eyes.

Then there was the day i woke up, fired up the game and realized it sucks to play both sides, 7 nations, alone.

Let that sink in.

Playing MWiF alone.

My car is made to drive, not sit on the street. My life to hunt. MWif to play other hunters. NetPlay fails on a order of magnitude above all else, at this point in time.

4 months out.
Do you remember what you said Erik?

"WIF will also continue to improve through the post-release updates with new options, new features, up to 6 players for multiplayer and eventually AI, but our immediate priority will be addressing these recent NetPlay issues and making sure the NetPlay support works fully as intended."

Half-truths at best. The word priority conjures up a mirage of netplay geeks at your disposal tackling this obstacle day and night without thought of failure. Imagine if NetPlay were working today.

The truth is unknown to me. Whatever was in your mind when the word priority was used is your truth. My mistake was taking your words as honest and heartfelt.

We are not passive prey to be fed words. We are game eaters looking to feast on this product. Get your ass in gear. Get some resources to help from your end. Make NetPlay the priority you said it was on Order Date: 07 Nov 2013.
Thank you,
Ricky