Stardrive Community Divide

[DevildogFF]

ORIGINAL: StarForged

ORIGINAL: Icemania



I post mainly on the Distant Worlds Forums, but if you want some entertainment resulting from excessive Moderation, read here:

Mate. I had to come out of my lurker status to post this; full rant incoming. That forum you posted is full of nutters. I followed the stardrive reddit cockup when it happened, and I've lurked in the forums since. It baffles the mind to see some of the same names more than a year later still acting like crazy people for whatever perceived injustice they've suffered at the hands of the stardrive developers.

Stardrive wasn't great but it was good. It was worth the 15 quid I paid and based on what I've seen from Stardrive 2, that will be worth my 15 quid as well. Personally, I can't imagine being so sore over a game purchase that I'd be trying to drum up a lynch mob more than a year after it came out. And that seems like what you're trying to do here and it frankly baffles.

What I want is to play more good 4x games. I'd rather make it easier for developers to do that - not harder. And if the price for failing to deliver every promised feature on a game is a year long crusade to topple the developers (or isn't it just one bloke?) then why the hell would people make these games? This self-righteous tosh just pisses me off. If you don't like the game then don't play it. If you don't like a developer then don't buy their games. This culture of outrage in games is juvenile and in the end I think it harms gamers more than helps them.

Edit: re-read this post and 100% DO NOT AGREE that Ice was trying to drum up a lynch mob here.

I do agree that the board is full of nutters who are unable to let go of some perceived injustice, when most of them have done incredibly egregious things.

[shunwick]

ORIGINAL: StarForged

ORIGINAL: Icemania



I post mainly on the Distant Worlds Forums, but if you want some entertainment resulting from excessive Moderation, read here:

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Personally, I can't imagine being so sore over a game purchase that I'd be trying to drum up a lynch mob more than a year after it came out. And that seems like what you're trying to do here and it frankly baffles.

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I had no intention of getting involved in this absurd mess but I really don't think Icemania is trying to drum up a lynch mob.

Best wishes,
Steve

[Icemania]

StarForged:

Like all forums Stardrive Continued contains a variety of views. A number of members, like myself, are posters that take a middle ground, both positive (the Doc's Stardrive Extended Mod looks very promising) and critical. Many of us in the middle ground cannot post (or cannot post openly) on the official forums because we’ve been deleted or banned.

It’s naïve to think that this situation will end without change. The Stardrive Continued forum has grown a lot in the mere 3 months it has been in existence. All sorts of people will come out of the woodwork when Stardrive 2 gets to release. The change that I’ve been proposing consistently is for the community to be managed by someone other than Zero. Zero can simply focus on developing a great game and making more patches. The ideal outcome is a better community and better game and even though I’ve been banned and deleted, I still don’t want any other outcome.

In short, I have no idea how you could read my posts and could come to such ridiculous conclusions e.g. lynch mobs. I’m even more astonished that DevildogFF agreed with it as it has no relevance to my position or the reasons why I posted a link to Stardrive Continued. If you are interested in the views of those of us in the middle ground, you simply can’t read them on the Steam Stardrive forums.

Now with that said, welcome to the forums!

[DevildogFF]

ORIGINAL: Icemania

StarForged:

Like all forums Stardrive Continued contains a variety of views. A number of members, like myself, are posters that take a middle ground, both positive (the Doc's Stardrive Extended Mod looks very promising) and critical. Many of us in the middle ground cannot post (or cannot post openly) on the official forums because we’ve been deleted or banned.

It’s naïve to think that this situation will end without change. The Stardrive Continued forum has grown a lot in the mere 3 months it has been in existence. All sorts of people will come out of the woodwork when Stardrive 2 gets to release. The change that I’ve been proposing consistently is for the community to be managed by someone other than Zero. Zero can simply focus on developing a great game and making more patches. The ideal outcome is a better community and better game and even though I’ve been banned and deleted, I still don’t want any other outcome.

In short, I have no idea how you could read my posts and could come to such ridiculous conclusions e.g. lynch mobs. I’m even more astonished that DevildogFF agreed with it as it has no relevance to my position or the reasons why I posted a link to Stardrive Continued. If you are interested in the views of those of us in the middle ground, you simply can’t read them on the Steam Stardrive forums.

Now with that said, welcome to the forums!

I don't think the original post was aimed at Ice! If it was, then I don't agree at all.

I thought he was speaking to the people that HAVE been making this an issue well over a year later.

If it was directed at Ice, then I take back my agreement, haha!

EDIT: Oh, yes, I see that one sentence where it suggests that Ice was doing that. Completely disagree.

Ice is a gentleperson and a scholar in my opinion and is so in every forum I've seen him in. To suggest that he's part of the problem is just plain wrong.

Reading comprehension was not at 100% the other day. My bad, Ice.

[Icemania]

Thanks DevildogFF, well played, and I hope for light on the other side ...

[ASHBERY76]

Iceman going a little OCD?

Give Dan a break.

[Icemania]

As always your posts add tremendous insight to the discussion.

Not.

[brucemcl777]

occasionally he has made some PR blunders

"about time that Zero hired someone to do the talking for him"

now you are talking Devildog... and banning Ice was beyond all reason by the way

And Zero yea, Like every time he opens his mouth his foot falls out, and then he shoots himself in his other foot

"a lot of idiots that have acted poorly in the past (life threats, personal attacks) that are pretending to be victims here, now that the past posts have been deleted."

Speaking as one of those idiots (but not life threats)personally I deal with people according to the perception of how I am dealt with - if and when Zero respects us as
paying customers - I will respond to him as a respected developer. Until that day he is a little man with a little mind in my view.

And Icemania knows me well enough that while I am volatile and have strong views I am no idiot.

And I'm Spartacus by the way

[brucemcl777]

First death threats and now lynch mobs huh ice?

And now you're diagnosed with OCD by an amateur Freud

Tsk, Tsk - what will you be up to next?

"To suggest that he's part of the problem is just plain wrong." Absolutely correct Devildog - I might be part of the problem
but Ice is part of the solution - only if Zero ever listens though.

I'm Spartacus