Tomanbeg vs TheOverlord

[Tomanbeg]

Fall back means the other way. BacK toward Berlin. Or at least Rostov. It's a good think C&C is off. 2 of your last 3 kills were Company commanders. If C&C was on, I would be ready for the fork. But it's not, so that was just 3 more rats. While the pack is good sized, at 3 per turn, It's not big enough to go 20 more turns. All my arty went off line this turn. Time to send the political officer back to shoot some Majors. I counted 6 Tigers, so I figure there is a couple unaccounted for. I figure you for 2 Tiger platoons, 2 Mk-IV platoons and an SS inf co., plus assorted AC's and some Mortar sections. Where are your big guns? I need to start killing some of the spotters. I tried but just lost another T-34.
T.

[TheOverlord]

Grunts love taking out an officer.
I saw your T-34s in the southern woods and hoped they would come out into the sights of the waiting Tiger.

The north is quiet. There are some Soviet crews and infantry lurking about but I dont think they can do much harm now.

In the South, the tank riders from the blasted T-34 are dispatched.

The fun is in the center.
I spy with my little eye lots of infantry marching toward Tommy's truck stop (which there isnt much left of due to Soviet bombardment).

A few panzers and half tracks move forward to see if they can persuade the infantry to march in the oposite direction. Arty is called in on their line.

It is a risk moving forward with with my panzers and tigers but the T-34s are thankfully not the most accurate of machines. there are probably an AT gun or two about in the wood lines and I would wager at least one more tank rider company, backed by a couple companies of additional tanks, plus what looks like maybe a company or two of infantry marching accross the plains...

That is a pretty good guess as to my force composition, not too far off the mark....but not entirely accurate either...and I'll leave it that way for now I need all the help I can get against the large number of T-34s creeping around....

[Tomanbeg]

Well, they came out into your sights alright. I had what I'm trying now work once and fail once, so if it fails this time, I'll know not to do it anymore. I have over 30T-34's with that Tiger on the road on thier target line. They have all shot at him at least once, and most have abetter then 10% hit chance. The first time I tried this, the Tiger shot and the entire red Army shot back, or at least that is what it looked like. Didn't kille the Tiger, but he shut his hatch and routed out of there. Killed him the next turn IIRC. But my opponent then didn't have the support you have here. The Second time the Tiger gkilled a T-34 and nobody shot back. My opponent decided that descrition was the better part of valor and dropped back over the crest of the hill he was on. You don't have that option. So Can you win a shootout against 30+ T-34's? This will be one for the books. I didn't want to do this for 2 more turns and not in quite this way, but you forced my hand when you brought out those Mk-IV's.
T.(My turn counter is out. I crashed back to desktop but saved from the bar, so I wouldn't lose what I had already done).

[TheOverlord]

So far it seems like a good plan you are trying. I definately will have my work cut out for me to hold the truck stop...although by now the roof needs some repairs and the jukebox was hit by a mortar round.

I have been watching you position your T-34s for a few turns now and was counter positioning to hit them before you were set. I figure my best bet against these numbers is to hit you first before you are ready and at a longer range where the Panzers and tigers have the advantage. I was going to do it this turn, but last turn when I saw how close your infantry has crept I figured I needed to let it out of the bag before the infantry got any closer.

I would of liked one more trun to prepare myself but it is too late for that now!

6 T-34's were destroyed this turn. I was hoping for a couple more....but these are still pretty long range. Next turn should start getting ugly....

[Tomanbeg]

That was a diaster. I didn't get a single op fire at the Tiger, and only 6 shots over all. That is out of close to 30 chances! I'll never figure this out. But there was good news in the form a a unit labeled"AUX". If you swallowed the whole enchalada thats 1300 points for T. My rough running count (the Rawhide kid's sidekick?) had you about 300 points ahead. I killed another SS squad, a Special ops squad and a Mk-IV, so I should be up about 1,000 points, if you shot your wad on the reinforcements. I'll have to see if the 20 T-34's I can buy will be worth giving up 1300 points. We will see how bad you shoot me up this time. Meanwhile I need to close the range. I think I will make you guess exactly where my infantry is. Your arty is close but not in the black, which makes me think you have a rough idea of where they are. Jumping out and spotting and then moving back. So that means more smoke. You will either have to move ahead of the smoke to keep shooting, which will close the range, or pull back behind the smoke, which will allow me to move up. So for now I have to hide some more and see what you want to do.
T.

[TheOverlord]

The T-34s pulled behind cover after loosing 6 of their number last round, so German units focus on the infantry wave strolling towards the VH's. Many casualties.

PzIV's bounce a couple of shells off a T34 at long range.

North is quiet, and Soviet forces are snooping around to the south.

[Tomanbeg]

Well, It could have been worse. My infantry is having a crisis of confidence. But they haven't started routing, and you didn't knock off any squads, so I might be able to get them moving forwrd again next turn. Meanwhile I'm disappointed in my arty. It appears to be stuck on .1 delay. I thought sending Major Headshotovich back would fix it, but so far no joy. I snagged the northern most flag for another quick 50 points, although I don't expect to hold it. And I had a Lt. Tank miss 4 shots at 40+%. So that fool will soon be dead. I expected poor shooting and my troops seem to have exceeded my expectations. This is starting to look like sumo, with a lot of grunting and pushing, but not much movement.
T.

[TheOverlord]

Sorry T, that zip file had your slot 11 game.....could you resend with email9?

Danke

[Tomanbeg]

That was dumb of me.
T.

[TheOverlord]

In the north, German forces take the vh that an insolent T60 and recon squad took on the soviet turn. Both were destroyed.
German infantry inflict casualties on a tank rider squad and a 76.2 AT gun.

A plattoon of PzIV have been making a run from the north to aid in the defense of the center forces. They have been coming under fire from T-34s that have been coming out of hiding to take shots and duck back under cover. Well, this round they rolled forward out of cover to pursue the panzers and into the sights of a Tiger that was waiting for them to do just that. Scratch another T-34.

The center battle continues.
The soviet infantry wave (looks to be about 2 full companies) receives many caualties, and a couple of squads are destroyed. A truck and 2 T-34s are destroyed and another 2 T34s are damaged (suspension on both and the turret on one:) )

A Panzer that lost a track going through some craters has been repaired and is getting back into the fight!

South is quiet for now, but Soviet forces are creeping towards the rear german vh.

Back to T.

[Tomanbeg]

Didn't do much this turn. Got enough smoke out to start to degrade that 50+hex LOS of yours. Now I have to see how you are going to play this. I spotted a Special Ops squad about 6 turns ago, only he was back at your start line. But I'm starting to think that his budies made it to my rear areas. I KIA'd another SS rifle squad. That cleared a lot of astricks, so Maybe I'm finally getting some of the spotters you have laying doggo on your right flank. I really can't do anything until I win the recon battle. So for now I have to blow smoke and dig in. Make you either pull back or come fight in the smoke. I'm gonna be a little slow for the rest of the week. I tried installing H2H and screwed something up. My files got all catawampus and I had to go through by hand and put them in the right place. So I'm about 7 tuns behind now. What suks is I don't think H2H even installed.
T.

[TheOverlord]

Catawumpus does not mix well with pc's....

Dont worry about the pace. I cant always do the turn a night thing, and playing a couple of games can easily chew up an evening...especially if you think it through way too much like I do.

I downloaded h2h as well but have been reading mixed reports on it so I have not installed it. Goblin's comments about upgraded prices and down graded guns for German equipment is disheartening...

I am leaning towards sticking with WAW for now...

As for my spotters, I would appreciate it if you would just leave them alone. They are innocent bystanders. Besides, there are always more....

I will try to get to the turn in the morning and post it back....too tired at the moment to conduct warfare....

[Tomanbeg]

I read the blurb for H2H and my first thought was that they were screwing up all the things Matrix did right and leaving the errors by Matrix alone. Then I played a game(yes you can play H2H vs WaW, if you don't mind Magnoit line forts driving around shooting 88's at you). I was playing Soviets vs Nazi's and so I didn't really get a good look at the advertised differences. Most seem to be lit bits of historical floatsum that will be argued over for the next 2 centuries. Sort of like when the sleeve of a Tercio went from 64 to 72 men. Not sure any of it matters though. Everyone claims they are the ones that are being historically accutrate, but historians make a mediocre living arguing over just what the history is. When we are done with this public dog and pony show, Lets swap sides and play again. I'll use the Mk-IIIh's and j's that were the heart of the Panzer troops in the summer of '42 with a few Marders and Towed 50mm ATG's and lots of infantry that the Germans used in the drive to the Caucasian Mountains. With C&C off, I should lose, With it on, I should win. The germans were the best at using time and space as weapons. But for Time and Space to come into play, C&C has to be on. With it off, military speed is just who has the most Movement Points. With it on, it becomes who can get their troops organized, pointed and off in the right direction fastest. Which is very historical.
T.

[TheOverlord]

Hey T - the turn you posted is asking for the Soviet password....

Hehehe - I know what you mean about "historically accurate". It all really comes back to the point of view of the historian doing the talking. They usually can never aggree on all points of an event. Human nature I suppose.

I am not as up to speed on all aspects of the history as I would like to be. I am pretty good with the wepons themselves rather than the actual dates of apperance, numbers in service etc. and of the general flow of events and the major battles, but not with most of the smaller ones.

I would be up for playing a game with C&C on. I have only messed with it vs the computer but I think I have a good enough grasp on it to give it a whirl. I wouldnt mind taking the Soviets either. That would be a great challenge!

I am pretty much up for any sort battle - I just like to play!

[Tomanbeg]

We will try it. C&C is more a state of mind then anything else. The only time it becomes important is when you have been out manuvered and out thought, at which point it can turn a mild problem into a diaster. Try this one. I have been having file problems as I mentioned.
T.

[TheOverlord]

The thread wont take my turn posting.
Seems like it loads but the post is never created....

Ever seen that before??

I will try again from work.

[TheOverlord]

German forces work on securing the north west quadrant of the map (just not
enough to go around..) From the center vh back to the GE rear vh, and from
the center vh to the north vh is secure. Tigers are spread out to add some
puch to the PzIVg and infantry picket line.

Soviet T34s are snuggling into defensive position all to the east and laying
down smoke.

The soviet infantry wave advancing on the center vh is mg'ed some more,
destroying a couple of squads and inflicting casualties. Arty continues to
rain don on them. Their T34 support is still a turn or two behind and
taking cover, after a half dozen of their number were destroyed at the last
attempt to advance.

Soviet forces continue to probe against the southern edge of the German
picket line, towards the rear vh. Reports estimate a tankrider company with
recon support. A Tiger is brought in to keep watch as Panzers reinforce the
line.

[Tomanbeg]

Hi Olord,
Not much of a turn for me. I am looking to see if you left a corner loose somewhere that I can pry open to get inside your fire zones. More smoke. I tried to not leave you to many shots but you still have a couple of easy kills this turn. Got to feed the Tigers, or they will start looking to get out of their cage.
T.

[TheOverlord]

Scheisse!!

I am a victim of the problem going around that folks cant post turns. I keep getting bumped to a plain white page.

If you like, I can send you the turn directly and post the aar here, or I can try posting it again on monday from work - I was able to do so on friday from my work pc.

Which ever you are more comfortable with is fine with me!

[Tomanbeg]

Originally posted by TheOverlord
Scheisse!!

I am a victim of the problem going around that folks cant post turns. I keep getting bumped to a plain white page.

If you like, I can send you the turn directly and post the aar here, or I can try posting it again on monday from work - I was able to do so on friday from my work pc.

Which ever you are more comfortable with is fine with me!

It don't matter to me. It seems like this forum is picking up in volumn. I'v started another game thru here, but I'm not sure I like it. This is a little to public for me. If nothing is said, what is the point of posting here? If I go into detail, it throws the game off. It's hard to suprise some one when you tell them your plans. But if the turn commentary consists of "Killed something. Your turn". I'm not sure there is a point, except maybe notching up the post counter. I'm trying to get my Post per day average down, not up.
T.