Censored topic?

[afenelon]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by denisonh


Japanese data on CV


Air Groups

A6M2 - Escort
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp
AI-1 23 86 72 30 70 10000 65 75
AII-1 29 80 92 36 70 10000 60 72
BI-1 23 88 94 35 70 10000 55 75
BII-1 20 88 87 36 70 10000 60 72
DI-1 13 66 39 32 70 10000 74 58
CII-1 9 64 46 29 70 10000 70 71


Vals - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
AI-2 22 85 91 31 0 10000 66 74
AII-2 27 80 66 39 0 10000 61 73
BI-2 21 80 86 27 20 10000 93 88
BII-2 18 91 85 39 0 10000 63 75

TBDs - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
AI-3 18 73 81 0 0 5000 55 71
AII-3 20 87 98 0 0 5000 62 78
BI-3 15 92 98 0 0 5000 63 77
BII-3 16 87 78 0 0 5000 62 75
DI-3 14 74 92 28 0 5000 56 61
CII-3 10 70 76 21 0 5000 59 66

[dpstafford]

Originally posted by Drex
Somehow you have to decide on the best mix to use and the rest is dumb luck.

It almost seems as if you guys are playing a different game than the one I have been playing for the last several months. Oh, that's right, you are. The new BLOODIED up air combat has so drastically effected the balance and the strategy of the game, it's like it's a whole new game. (In the olden days, at least some of even unescorted bombers would get through). I don't really know which way is more historical, and I won't venture a guess as to which way makes for better game play. I just wish the MATRIX would quit making such drastic changes to the game!

[afenelon]

Originally posted by Drex
if your carriers are being hit then your cap isn't high enough. I just held off a 4 carrier strike in my pbem game( I am Japanese with 4 carriers also ). Its true I had all my fighters on cap and was able to completely destroy the allied carrier's offensive ability but I had to make the choice not send my bombers against him becasuse of his 120+ cap. It's a gamble any way you play it. If I had sent my bombers out with no escort- all of them would have been shot down. But I figure at least 50% of my fighters would have to escor t the bombers to even have a chance - that would have doomed my carriers (at least some of them) because I wouldn't have been able to field enough cap. I chose to be cautious and keep all my fighters. Somehow you have to decide on the best mix to use and the rest is dumb luck.

-In relation to number of incoming bombers, your CAP was
-not very different from mine. You had 120 A6M´s against
-4 CV´s (200 bombers) while I had 82 against 3 CV´s
-(150 bombers). And you were facing TB´F´s while I was
-fighting TBD´s. But there is something interesting with
-your results (I saw them in another thread). Despite
-heavily outnumbered, your F4F´s kept a 1:1 killing rate
-against A6M´s. What do you thing about this?

[afenelon]

Originally posted by dpstafford

It almost seems as if you guys are playing a different game than the one I have been playing for the last several months. Oh, that's right, you are. The new BLOODIED up air combat has so drastically effected the balance and the strategy of the game, it's like it's a whole new game. (In the olden days, at least some of even unescorted bombers would get through). I don't really know which way is more historical, and I won't venture a guess as to which way makes for better game play. I just wish the MATRIX would quit making such drastic changes to the game!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-I think the best compromise would be:
1-Poorly escorted bombers must be decimated (this should
be applied to BOTH SIDES)
2-Surviving bombers must be able to get more hits.

-When you look at historical results we can get the following
-conclusions
1-CV combat is extremely costly. Losses are very high
2-Even a few surviving bombers can do crippling damage
(just look at what the 30 surviving bombers in the Hiryu
made with Yorktown, despite minimal escort)
3-After a Carrier combat, the winner isn´t usually able
to pursue the loser, because the winner is usually
seriously wounded. The system might reflect this
reality
-The current combat system seems to have some troubles
(for what I saw in my game)
1-US bombers are able to survive even if minimally escorted
2-Japanese bombers usually need massive escorts (this
will, in turn make IJN unable to defend their carriers due
to 1)
3-So it seems the IJN is in a Catch22 (Drex reports seems
to confirm my suspicions). I doubt if the Japanese
historically, put 50% of their A6M´s in Escort duties.
This reports of IJN player needing 100% CAP to survive
just point to the fact that the system is somewhat
biased.
4-On the other hand, the older system favored the
Japanese, beacuse their bombers have artificially
high survival and, as they have more precision (due
to poor US torpedoes and better IJN crew quality)
they did higher damage than registered in historical
result.
Btw: SBD´s in Midway had something like 30% hits
Surviving bombers of the Hiryu had 50% hits. Allow
these values plus heavy bomber losses and the
combats between large numbers of carriers will
have much more interesting results. We will see
real damage, but relatively ew carriers lost in
each confrontation. This was exactly what
happened in South Pacific. Three carriers battles
resulted in 2CV´s lost for USN and 2CVL´s lost
for IJN (not mentioning the poor Shokaku, which
was crippled two times)

[Drex]

Offhand afenelon, I would think the 1:1 killing ration by the Wildcats in my battle (even though they were outnumbered) was due to their experience. Many of my best pilots were killed earlier in previous failed air attacks and it was only by having greater numbers that i was able to overcome the attack. So right now i don't see that carrier air needs to be tampered with but the bomber issue- as I said before- needs looking at again. Sstill it will take more battles by others to develop a consensus.

[afenelon]

Originally posted by Drex
Offhand afenelon, I would think the 1:1 killing ration by the Wildcats in my battle (even though they were outnumbered) was due to their experience. Many of my best pilots were killed earlier in previous failed air attacks and it was only by having greater numbers that i was able to overcome the attack. So right now i don't see that carrier air needs to be tampered with but the bomber issue- as I said before- needs looking at again. Sstill it will take more battles by others to develop a consensus.

-I doubt if their pilots are much more experience than yours
-you probably have levels near 70-75 and I doubt the enemy
-has more than 80. It shouldn´t be enough to compensate
-for the higher numbers of A6M´s. The air to air trouble is
-part of the major picture. Because F4F´s seems to be too
-effective, the Japanese are losing more bombers and the
-USN is losing very few planes. This will impact the results.
-I think it´s an heresy to keep your decks full of unused
-bombers and make your carriers just a platform to fighters
-Then it would be better to disembark your bombers,
-operate them from airbases and load your CV´s with
-fighters. I have a suggestion to you. Try to re run your
-turn (reach an agreement with your opponent) as a
-conventional battle. Both you should agree in keeping
-50% CAP (or 40% or 30%). Let´s see the results. From
-my opinion, this confrontation should end with one carrier
-crippled and one sunk for each side (minus plus one
-carrier crippled/sunk as result of randomization)

[Drex]

I'll ask him and see if we can replay the turn with 50% cap.

[SoulBlazer]

And the things we do for the rest of you......

I agreed to help out and we did a test battle with CAP at 50 percent for both of us.

Your guess is right on, at least for me, afenelon. Drex is the guy I am playing aganist in my PBEM game. Here's the stats on my planes before the test battle:

Ship Leader Ins # Exp Morale Fatique

Lex VF-3 71 48 35 62 45 32
Lex VS-2 80 63 3 67 40 6
Lex VB-2 85 70 16 72 71 19
York VF-42 79 87 26 76 92 25
York VS-5 56 73 17 79 63 16
York VB-5 83 72 3 85 55 8
Hornet VF-8 82 89 26 78 86 24
Hornet VS-8 91 80 7 88 70 11
Hornet VB-8 70 70 18 75 70 16
Wasp VF-71 67 78 22 74 76 31
Wasp VS-71 83 70 18 81 65 16
Wasp VS-72 77 45 7 57 18 12

The first line for each ship was Wildcats, the next two were Dauntless. There were no Avengers

No ship damage before battle.

After battle: Ship System Float Fires
Wasp 81 96 49
Yorktown 42 32 30

I suffered 52 Air to Air losses and 4 losses due to flak.

So the Wasp is sunk and the Yorktown is crippled.

Please remember this is also early October by now, two of these carriers have been in action for months, and all of my pilots are very experienced. So the results strike me as historical, and I see no problems.

[denisonh]

I think fatigue probably played a large part in the outcome of the fighter combat.

72 of my 98 fighter aircraft had a 20 or 19 fatigue level

72 of afenelon's 107 fighter aircraft had a 35 or 36 fatigue level.

It has been mentioned that fatigue effects are not neccessarily linear, and performance gets degradaded very badly the higher you go.

A test on the effects of fatigue may explain, in part, the results.

[afenelon]

Originally posted by SoulBlazer
And the things we do for the rest of you......

I agreed to help out and we did a test battle with CAP at 50 percent for both of us.

Your guess is right on, at least for me, afenelon. Drex is the guy I am playing aganist in my PBEM game. Here's the stats on my planes before the test battle:

Ship Leader Ins # Exp Morale Fatique

Lex VF-3 71 48 35 62 45 32
Lex VS-2 80 63 3 67 40 6
Lex VB-2 85 70 16 72 71 19
York VF-42 79 87 26 76 92 25
York VS-5 56 73 17 79 63 16
York VB-5 83 72 3 85 55 8
Hornet VF-8 82 89 26 78 86 24
Hornet VS-8 91 80 7 88 70 11
Hornet VB-8 70 70 18 75 70 16
Wasp VF-71 67 78 22 74 76 31
Wasp VS-71 83 70 18 81 65 16
Wasp VS-72 77 45 7 57 18 12

The first line for each ship was Wildcats, the next two were Dauntless. There were no Avengers

No ship damage before battle.

After battle: Ship System Float Fires
Wasp 81 96 49
Yorktown 42 32 30

I suffered 52 Air to Air losses and 4 losses due to flak.

So the Wasp is sunk and the Yorktown is crippled.

Please remember this is also early October by now, two of these carriers have been in action for months, and all of my pilots are very experienced. So the results strike me as historical, and I see no problems.

-What were the results for Japanese carriers?

[SoulBlazer]

Do I look like Drex's keeper?

[Drex]

Soulblazer needs to send the file back so I can finish my end. There were 8 separate sorties: ,3rd,4th,5th7th & 8th were from the Japanese with only the 1st, 2nd and 6th from the US. I find this interesting. In the second attack the Junyo, Zuikaku, and Hiryu all took 2 bomb hits each, the Akagi took 3 bomb hits. In the 6 th attack,Zuikaku took an additional3 bomb hits and Akagi 1 bomb hit. So all my carriers were damaged to some extent. I have to review the turn again to find out the final damage but no Japanese carrier was sunk in this turn. My hits against the US carriers occurred in the 3rd attack,4th attack and 5th attack( the 7th attack only had the Astoria take a torpedo).
Total Japanese planes destroyed/damaged out of a total of 213 attacking planes: A6M2 - 39/10
A6M3 - 15/1
Vals - 29/12
Kates- 28/28
I had lost 50% of my air complement. Zuikaku is most certainly heavily damaged and Akagi is on fire. In the sixth attack I could only field 2 fighters on cap and the last two attacks on the US carriers had no escorts at all. I had 91 zeros and 54 of those were destroyed, in other words my 50% escort was shot down. Still i find the Japanese a little better off in that they were able to launch more attacks but the US attacks were able to damage all my carriers while it still has two undamaged. I think the game is balanced.

[afenelon]

I think the game is balanced. [/B][/QUOTE]


-I´m not sure....because there will be a follow up battle.
-If Akagi is crippled, then the Japanese will lose, since
-they lost 50% of their planes, against much less US
-losses, their biggest carriers are crippled and the USN
-still has 2 fully operational carriers to pursue their
-enemies. I think the US will achieve a big victory.
-Try to run next turn.

[SoulBlazer]

I don't see a need to do that. Drex did'nt post the stats on his planes before the battle that I did, but I strongly suspect, given his greater air losses to Japan in the days before this test battle, that my planes are better led, better experienced, and less fatiqued, hence the edge to me in these carrier battles. ALso, by this point in the game (October 1942), the US develops a slight edge, all things being equal -- and this was equal.

Besides, I don't see anyone else complaing about this. Air combat is being looked at for the next patch, as described in the 'I Give Up!' and 'Can You Say Open Beta?' threads, so perhaps you should just wait till the next patch, run your own tests, make a new thread if you still see a problem, and ask others to also test.

[afenelon]

Originally posted by SoulBlazer
I don't see a need to do that. Drex did'nt post the stats on his planes before the battle that I did, but I strongly suspect, given his greater air losses to Japan in the days before this test battle, that my planes are better led, better experienced, and less fatiqued, hence the edge to me in these carrier battles. ALso, by this point in the game (October 1942), the US develops a slight edge, all things being equal -- and this was equal.

Besides, I don't see anyone else complaing about this. Air combat is being looked at for the next patch, as described in the 'I Give Up!' and 'Can You Say Open Beta?' threads, so perhaps you should just wait till the next patch, run your own tests, make a new thread if you still see a problem, and ask others to also test.

-Just a question. After seeing the results of the battle,
-(don´t consider Drex reports), would you:
1-Move your carriers to pursue the crippled enemy?
2-Retreat your carriers?
-And off course, I will start to do my own tests, including
-a replay of my disastrous battle. However, it´s difficult
-to see a situation like yours, aka, a CV battle like yours
-can take a month to happen, so when we have this
-opportunity..... I´m just saying that the battle you
-simulated isn´t finished, so you can´t say it was equal

[SoulBlazer]

Well, if Drex wants to continue it, that's fine with me. He does'nt need me for that anyway.

And what would I do in a real game? I'd probaly stay and fight. I would'nt know how much damage had been done to the Japs, of course, but I'd have to say looking at the carriers being sunk I'd have my two unttouched carriers try to fight one more day and launch another strike to see if I can take a Japanese carrier with me. They are testing carrier battles right now with the new patch in the beta thread, though.

[Drex]

I'm satisfied with the test. We need to go on with our game.

[Drex]

For afenelon's benefit here are my pre-battle stats:
Zeros Vals Kates
Akagi 26 25 17
Hiryu 22 6 7
Zuikaku 16 21 18
Junyo 27 17 8
____ ____ ____
91 69 50 = 210

# Exp Mor Fat Ldr/Inspr
Akagi 68 86 87 33 62/67
Hiryu 38 61 77 25 60/57
Zuikaku 55 77 92 29 62/71
Junyo 52 68 89 30 62/67

[denisonh]

Conducted a test based on the scenario that Afenelon and myself experienced.

Using version 2.11

USN TF under RADM McCain at Luganville

CV Lexington
CV Yorktown
CV Enterprise
CA Chester
CA Louisville
CL Honolulu
CL St Louis
DD Wilkes
DD Gwin
DD O'Brien
DD Lamson
DD Swanson


Luganville - 1 Sqn 12 x PBY and 1 sqn 24 x P-39
2 Surface TFs with assorted CAs, CLs and DDs


IJN under Yamaguchi near Irau

CV Kaga
CV Soryu
CV Zuikaku
CV Shokaku
CVL Shoho
CVL Zuiho
CA Chikuma
CA Myoko
CA Haguro
CA Nachi
CA Mogami
CS Chitose
DD Shigure
DD Yugure
DD Ariake
DD Asakaze
DD Harukaze

Ran 3 tests

test 1 (1,1a,1b) - Move to a point 6 hexes from Luganville with IJN TF Both sides default settings for altitude,search and CAP

test2 (2,2a,2b) - Move to a point 6 hexes from Luganville with CAP set to 70 and altitude and search adjusted per original case

test 3 (3,3a,3b) - Move to a point 4 hexes away from Luganville.

For each test, I list the air group specifics, ship damage, air losses and the battle report text file

Test #1

USN Air Groups

F4F-4s - Escort
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp
VF-3 36 67 78 25 60 10000 62 75
VF-42 36 66 93 25 60 10000 70 80
VF-6 36 74 99 24 60 10000 59 71

SBDs - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
VS-2 18 80 99 6 20 10000 68 76
VB-2 18 83 99 6 20 10000 58 80
VS-5 18 78 99 7 20 10000 56 72
VB-5 18 76 99 7 20 10000 60 77
VS-6 18 72 99 7 20 10000 58 74
VB-6 18 68 99 7 20 10000 61 74

TBDs - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
VT-2 15 71 99 0 0 5000 69 77
VT-5 15 70 99 0 0 5000 56 74
VT-6 15 76 99 0 0 5000 56 79

IJN Air Groups

A6M2 - Escort
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp
AII-1 27 85 90 28 60 10000 60 72
BI-1 21 68 99 26 60 10000 55 75
EI-1 24 76 99 29 60 10000 57 83
EII-1 24 76 81 25 60 10000 58 71
EIII-1 18 65 58 25 60 10000 60 61
CII-1 18 68 98 26 60 10000 64 63


Vals - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
AII-2 28 81 99 6 20 10000 62 73
BI-2 21 89 98 7 20 10000 73 71
EI-2 24 76 99 6 20 10000 61 70
EII-2 24 74 99 6 20 10000 63 79

Kates - Naval Attack
SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp
AII-3 27 87 99 0 0 5000 61 77
BI-3 21 92 99 0 0 5000 63 77
EI-3 24 73 99 0 0 5000 54 76
EII-3 24 77 99 0 0 5000 63 65
EIII-3 12 59 99 0 0 5000 61 72
CII-3 12 71 99 0 0 5000 59 66


Results for test #1
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42

Weather: Clear

Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 62
A6M3 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD Dauntless x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 4 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged

CPO A.Morioka of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVL Shoho
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Kaga
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M3 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
SBD Dauntless x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 6 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 11 damaged

LTJG F.Leonard of VF-42 is credited with kill number 2

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho
CA Chikuma, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
A6M3 Zero x 6
D3A Val x 36
B5N Kate x 45

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 44

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 8 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 6 destroyed
D3A Val x 27 destroyed
D3A Val x 18 damaged
B5N Kate x 23 destroyed
B5N Kate x 31 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 damaged

LTJG L. Mankin of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4

Allied Ships
DD Lamson
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21
B5N Kate x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
F4F-4 Wildcat x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 26 destroyed
B5N Kate x 13 destroyed
B5N Kate x 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged

LTJG R. Mehle of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 48
A6M3 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27
SBD Dauntless x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 11 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 11 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged

LTJG R. Mehle of VF-6 is credited with kill number 6

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CV Soryu
CV Kaga


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Summary

IJN ship damage
CVL Zuiho 71 24 31
CV Shokaku 16 2 12
CV Zuikaku 17 0 27

IJN aircraft losses
A6M2 - 17
A6M3 - 9
Val - 44
Kate - 36


USN ship damage
CV Enterprise sunk
Lexington 17 0 27

USN aircraft losses
F4F-3 - 8
F4F-4 - 16
SBD - 24
TBD - 15
P-39 - 0


Results for test #1a
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42

Weather: Clear

Air attack on TF at 49,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 58
A6M3 Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 10 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 33 destroyed

ENS S. Komachi of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3

LCDR R. Dixon of VS-2 bails out and is RESCUED


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 49,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 56
A6M3 Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 13 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 36 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

PO2 G.Murakami of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5

LCDR R. Best of VB-6 bails out and is RESCUED

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 49,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
A6M3 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 14 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 17 damaged

LTJG W.Banno of EIII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4

LT M. Suganami of BI-1 Daitai is KILLED

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku
CV Kaga
CV Shokaku
CV Soryu


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
A6M3 Zero x 8
D3A Val x 42
B5N Kate x 48

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 20 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 3 destroyed
D3A Val x 22 destroyed
D3A Val x 18 damaged
B5N Kate x 30 destroyed
B5N Kate x 23 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 damaged

ENS E. O'Hare of VF-3 is credited with kill number 4

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1
CV Lexington
CL Honolulu
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2
CA Louisville, Bomb hits 1


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
D3A Val x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
F4F-4 Wildcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
D3A Val x 13 destroyed
D3A Val x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged

LTJG M. Bright of VF-3 is credited with kill number 3

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 7 destroyed
B5N Kate x 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Perkins
CL Phoenix
CA Vincennes


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21
B5N Kate x 24

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 5 destroyed
D3A Val x 9 damaged
B5N Kate x 12 destroyed
B5N Kate x 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 4 damaged

1LT A. Patterson of 67th FS is credited with kill number 3

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA Minneapolis
DD Case
DD Cummings
DD Perkins
CA Portland, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 1


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 3

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 3 destroyed


CPT W. Sharpstein of 67th FS is credited with kill number 3


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 12

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 6 destroyed
B5N Kate x 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged

CPT R. Kerstetter of 67th FS is credited with kill number 4

Allied Ships
AK Almaack
DD Hull


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IJN ship damage
None

IJN aircraft losses
A6M2 - 35
A6M3 - 7
Val - 37
Kate - 34


USN ship damage
CV Enterprise 26 3 9
CV Yorktown 3 0 9

USN aircraft losses
F4F-3 - 12
F4F-4 - 19
SBD - 75
TBD - 0
P-39 - 0


Results for test #1b
FTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42

Weather: Clear

Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
A6M3 Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD Dauntless x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 11 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 26 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 36 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 37 damaged

PO1 V.Kawakubo of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Soryu
CVL Shoho
CV Kaga
CV Zuikaku


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
A6M3 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8
SBD Dauntless x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 14 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 17 damaged

LTJG K. Okabe of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVL Shoho
CV Soryu


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
A6M3 Zero x 3
D3A Val x 59
B5N Kate x 45

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 12 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed
D3A Val x 24 destroyed
D3A Val x 22 damaged
B5N Kate x 24 destroyed
B5N Kate x 26 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 damaged

LCDR J. Thach of VF-3 is credited with kill number 3

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Louisville
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 10
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 19 destroyed
B5N Kate x 10 damaged


ENS V.Erickson of VF-6 is credited with kill number 3

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26
SBD Dauntless x 34
P-39D Airacobra x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 12 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 3 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 11 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged

LCDR J. Thach of VF-3 is credited with kill number 4

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 3 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 damaged


Allied Ships
DD Hull
DD Lang, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
D3A Val x 34
B5N Kate x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17

no losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged

WO O.Kotani of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IJN ship damage
CVL Zuiho 35 0 1
CV Shokaku 70 11 26
CV Zuikaku 32 0 26
CV Soryu 27 2 12
CVL Shoho 21 25 24

IJN aircraft losses
A6M2 - 32
A6M3 - 4
Val - 22
Kate - 46


USN ship damage
CV Enterprise 72 41 31
CV Lexington 17 0 27
CV Yorktown 54 39 42
CL St Louis 36 1 8

DD Lang 51 45 20

USN aircraft losses
F4F-3 - 9
F4F-4 - 35
SBD - 47
TBD - 0
P-39 - 3

[denisonh]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42

Weather: Clear

Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 72
A6M3 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 10
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
SBD Dauntless x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 20 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 21 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 4 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 47 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 28 damaged

LTJG B. Reid of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CV Kaga
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1
CV Shokaku


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
A6M3 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 16 destroyed

ENS T. Tanimizu of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
A6M3 Zero x 5
D3A Val x 69
B5N Kate x 69

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed
D3A Val x 5 destroyed
D3A Val x 3 damaged
B5N Kate x 6 destroyed
B5N Kate x 18 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged

LTJG R.Nojima of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2

LCDR J. Gray of VF-6 bails out and is RESCUED

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chester
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
CL Honolulu


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 47
A6M3 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26
SBD Dauntless x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 16 damaged

ENS T. Tanimizu of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6

LT T. Hoashi of EI-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Zuikaku
CA Nachi


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 50,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
A6M3 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged

LTJG T. Provost of VF-6 is credited with kill number 2

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
D3A Val x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
D3A Val x 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged

LT W. Haas of VF-42 is credited with kill number 2


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF at 54,52

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 5 destroyed


LTJG N.Walker of VF-42 is credited with kill number 3


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IJN ship damage
CV Kaga 18 6 27
CV Zuikaku 29 0 5

IJN aircraft losses
A6M2 - 37
A6M3 - 6
Val - 7
Kate - 10


USN ship damage
CV Enterprise Sunk
CV Lexington Sunk
CL St Louis 10 14 7

USN aircraft losses
F4F-3 - 11
F4F-4 - 29
SBD - 59
TBD - 30
P-39 - 3