Its a Pleasure Cruise to Northern Italy

[Gorforlin]

You try setting your patrol area to 5 hexes or less and patrol to 200%?

Seems to be a bug where 200% works better then 300% along the lines of the issue with WitE intercept setting of which morveal might have some idea about seeing he fixed code.

[Baelfiin]

By then end of German turn 6 things are looking a little more grim for the allies

I made some adjustments to staging bases and swapped out some beat down airgroups for fresh ones.

Very strong control in the sea now.

[Gorforlin]

Also your leadership rolls appear to be sucking.

Stack your Corp HQ, Army HQ, Group HQ and OKH HQ all withen 5 hexes so you get 4 rolls.

Little simple things one learns fighting on the Russian Front.

Also 150mm + Arty huge help.

[Baelfiin]

At the end of Allied turn 6, the Luftwaffe is still in control of the sea and the c47's cant keep up with the freight demands.
One of the cool things about the logistics system is that with airplanes you cant just fly in at the start of the turn and expect to fly. You have to get your support on the base, and get some fuel and ammo from freight there as well.
There are all kinds of fighters in Corsica and Sardinia but they don't have all of the gas and bullets they need to be fully effective. When I thought the airbases on the beach were going to be in supply I flew a bunch more shortrange aircraft in to help out, but they got pummeled again by the Luftwaffe. Trying to operate from damaged out of supply airfields is bad.
P51's are starting to come in they got the range to cover the beach easy.
Are they in time?

[Baelfiin]

German turn 7

Luftwaffe casualties going up but they are still dominating the air over the beach. Aircraft carrier Sardinia just doesn't have enough airfields in the right spot to get all the allied fighters in rang.

The Beaches are isolated again and have no freight to work with.

[Baelfiin]

Felt pretty sure it was over for the Allies at the point, but they held out.

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: Gorforlin

Also your leadership rolls appear to be sucking.

Stack your Corp HQ, Army HQ, Group HQ and OKH HQ all withen 5 hexes so you get 4 rolls.

Little simple things one learns fighting on the Russian Front.

Also 150mm + Arty huge help.

No army here yet plus I didn't feel like I could spare the points to bring in Arty from east.
Probably could have looked around to find some on the west front, but didn't think about it at the time.

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: Gorforlin

You try setting your patrol area to 5 hexes or less and patrol to 200%?

Seems to be a bug where 200% works better then 300% along the lines of the issue with WitE intercept setting of which morveal might have some idea about seeing he fixed code.

There was an air tweak in 1.02 I think that fixed that, but this one was done all under 1.00

[Baelfiin]

Well the Allies could not get control of the air over the beach yet. The constant German attacks have drained the beaches of freight. Air Transport cant keep up.
Nice supply levels in Sardinia and Corsica as the ports get repaired and the rails get fixed. Allied air power is ramping up as well, but it may be too late. (in fact im pretty sure it is too late)

[Gorforlin]

1st army u can move over the first turn

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: Gorforlin

1st army u can move over the first turn

Good point

I was trying to leave most of the west wall stuff alone to see if it could be done.. That's why I only brought feldhernhalla and 1 fsj from SE france along with two corp hq's. The rest of the reinforcements were the mtn units and fighters from the EFB.
I also did not want to jam up the rail lines with too much stuff either.

[Baelfiin]

Clean up, Aisle 5

[Baelfiin]

Clean up Aisle 6

[Baelfiin]

Clean up Aisle 6 for real now

[Baelfiin]

So that's the end of my AAR.

I hope it shows just how good the logistics systems are.

Plus the Allies are not Gods in 1943. Sure they can land in France or wherever they want to, but its probably a really bad idea to do anything where you can not maintain air cover.

Open for questions and discussion on what went right and wrong 8)

[MrLongleg]

Very interesting. A couple questions:

- you talk about a new software patch - where can we get that?
- shouldn't divisions repulsed from a beach head be totally destroyed. They could reform, but all elements should be lost for the Allies, right?
- why wasn't there more damage to the invasion fleet, it sailed through 9 interdiction level and had NO losses? In reality they would have lost a bunch of ships...

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: Haudrauf1962

Very interesting. A couple questions:

- you talk about a new software patch - where can we get that?
- shouldn't divisions repulsed from a beach head be totally destroyed. They could reform, but all elements should be lost for the Allies, right?
- why wasn't there more damage to the invasion fleet, it sailed through 9 interdiction level and had NO losses? In reality they would have lost a bunch of ships...

Thanks for your interest 8)
My understanding is that there will be a patch at some point next week.
The divisions that got killed on the beaches get reformed from new men in Ireland. If you have played WitE its pretty much the same mechanic as when a german unit surrenders and gets reformed. Hopefully the message in the combat report gets changed because I spent a while trying to find out where they retreated to.
1st infantry division the battle shows that everything was killed except for the bits from the ranger regiment that retreated successfully
The invasion fleet loss is a bug that will be fixed in upcoming patch.

[comsolut]

I'm not able to add to your points, as I have yet to grasp the intricacies of the engine.

I do applaud your efforts to test that the engine has some basis in reality.

[Gorforlin]

It SHOULD be a major VP negative for allies, is what should be in patch not some thing silly.

I think your pushing the limit of Allied invasion options, but if your were saper the invasion would have stuck.

Try the same invasion again, but using what you have learn does not work.

WitE is all about turn 1-4 and rolling the snowball.

You have simply looked at one option and not the best option.

Try again vs yourself.

I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER.

its best for the game figuring this out now not 6+ months from now.

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: Gorforlin

It SHOULD be a major VP negative for allies, is what should be in patch not some thing silly.

I think your pushing the limit of Allied invasion options, but if your were saper the invasion would have stuck.

Try the same invasion again, but using what you have learn does not work.

WitE is all about turn 1-4 and rolling the snowball.

You have simply looked at one option and not the best option.

Try again vs yourself.

I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER.

its best for the game figuring this out now not 6+ months from now.

WTF are you talking about Im pretty sure its WITW not WITE

I think it proves that if you are invading without air cover you have a pretty good chance of getting whacked.

The whole goal of the AAR was to see if an allied invasion without fighter cover could get crushed by germans without the need for bogus house rules.

What exactly are you trying to figure out?