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Y-9XZ (PsyOps Aircraft)

(This one would be quite important in a Taiwan Invasion-scenario, as China would use them to spread messages and propaganda throughout their communication networks to make the ROC military surrender)
It was first reported in October 2012 that a new psychological warfare variant (High New 10/Y-9XZ?) has been developed based on the Y-9 platform. The aircraft was rumored to have a new capability of hacking into enemy communication network. Therefore it could be used to interrupt the internet traffic or spread false information and create chaos through social network inside enemy territory by taking control of key web servers. Y-9XZ is believed to have entered the service with PLAAF in mid-2014 (S/N 30x1x?) and expected to replace the earlier Y-8XZ.


Y-9G (Standoff-ECM carrier)
A recent image (April 2014) indicated that a new ECM variant similar to Y-8G has been developed based on the Y-9 platform (Y-9G/High New 11?). It features a new chin radome plus three large oval and rectangular shaped antenna panels along each side of the fuselage as well as two plate antennas attached to the vertical tailfin. An array of blade antennas can be seen under the fuselage. This suggests a powerful, sophisticated and comprehensive electronic jamming system was installed to suppress enemy radar and communication, possibly using the phased array technology. Y-9G is expected to replace the earlier Y-8G.

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J-20 Prototype #2015 (First flight Dec. 2014)

2014 was a big year for the J-20 project. Four prototypes flew in that year, each being the 'pre-production' types with more complete mission avionics, beginning with Prototype #2011 that first took off into the sky on March 1, 2014.

We can see that the J-20 now features an F-35 EOTS-styled chin-mounted EO system, possibly indicating Multirole/Air-to-Ground capability of the final J-20 version, as well as modified control surfaces with clipped edges for improved VLO performance. Also, it does sport a completely new, silver-ish colour now, making it resemble the F-22/F-35, which suggests that the RAM coating has been improved as well (compared to the Black color of the previous prototypes).

An interesting arrangement of transparent windows have been identified to be distributed around the J-20's body, suggesting a similiar role as the F-35's EODAS suite (due to the similiar distribution)

Some more pics:

Good shot on Proto #2012 - Note the Luneburg-lense besides the presumed bi-directional EODAS port!

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Interesting, thanks Hongjian.
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Raytheon announced AMRAAM-ER.

Basically a dedicated NASAMS version of AMRAAM with improved range and altitude envelopes when surface launched.

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http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2015-02-2 ... nge-AMRAAM
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At NAVDEX 2015 Navantia unveiled its F-538 Frigate Design for the Peruvian Navy
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At NAVDEX 2015 naval defense exhibition which was taking place in Abu Dhabi, UAE, last week, Navantia unveiled the F-538 frigate design it is proposing for the Peruvian Navy. Navantia representatives at NAVDEX 2015 told Navy Recognition that this new Frigate design is based on the proven AVANTE 3000/2400 design. This new design incorporates lessons learned in building the Spanish F-100, Norwegian F-310 and Australian AWS destroyers.
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The scale model on display at NAVDEX 2015 showed the F-538 fitted according to the Peruvian Navy requirements. The informed observer will immediatly notice a quite unique weapons fit on top of the helicopter hangar: No less than three Close In Weapon System (CIWS) are present:
- 2x Rheinmetall Millenium 35mm gun systems
- 1x Raytheon RAM launcher (21x RAM block A1 missiles) between the two guns

Navantia representative explained that this quite unique configuration were part of the Peruvian Navy requirements.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2454

2x Milleniums and 1x RAM side by side... goog luck penetrating that!
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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2454

2x Milleniums and 1x RAM side by side... goog luck penetrating that!

Hmm... well

In Russian Navy Air Defence of ship is measured in so called "successfully repelled standart air strike"

for frigate it is 3 air raid in each 4 ARM + 8 ASM, also frigate AAD must denied enemy ability
to use guided glide bombs

looking at this ship AAD I really dont see why you so happy about it
enemy dont even need to use ASM/ARM against it,just cheap guided glide bombs (after all we live in age of JSOW,SDB,PBK-500U,UPAB family and etc.)

also I think only one FCR + SARH missiles=fail
yes RAM launcher is ok but too short range, if enemy atack with something like Kh-31 it will end quickly

but since this thing is not bought with my money [:)],
all this Marina de Guerra del Perú problems
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Good lord that J-20 is one ugly aircraft.
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Good lord that J-20 is one ugly aircraft.

I was actually thinking it was kinda sweet looking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I'm not trying to suggest your opinion is wrong, though Lion.

I'm becoming more fascinated with plane and ship design as it progresses. Ships and planes these days are certainly different than from my time serving.

I wonder what it would be like to spend a few days on one of the newest ships in the fleet, and compare it to what shipboard life was like from 20-25 years ago.

On a side note - holy cow that last sentence makes me feel so OLD as I read it.
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No, this is sweet looking!




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ORIGINAL: Triode
ORIGINAL: navyrecognition

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2454

2x Milleniums and 1x RAM side by side... goog luck penetrating that!

Hmm... well

In Russian Navy Air Defence of ship is measured in so called "successfully repelled standart air strike"

for frigate it is 3 air raid in each 4 ARM + 8 ASM, also frigate AAD must denied enemy ability
to use guided glide bombs

looking at this ship AAD I really dont see why you so happy about it
enemy dont even need to use ASM/ARM against it,just cheap guided glide bombs (after all we live in age of JSOW,SDB,PBK-500U,UPAB family and etc.)

also I think only one FCR + SARH missiles=fail
yes RAM launcher is ok but too short range, if enemy atack with something like Kh-31 it will end quickly

but since this thing is not bought with my money [:)],
all this Marina de Guerra del Perú problems

You should contemplate what the ship is designed for. It is a Frigate sized vessel and also has 16 cell VLS with ESSM missiles. It is not designed to be an AEGIS ship able to engage air-craft at a distance.

Those 35mm cannons are also dual purpose and is a perfect choice for working in the Littoral areas and complement the 76mm canon quite well.

I presume a ship this size are primarily for patrol in the littoral areas with some defensive capabilities in certain situations as well as decent in ASW operations.

The purpose of a ship like this is not sea domination in any way.
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No, this is sweet looking!




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I certainly won't argue! One of the better looking planes of ANY time, and yes better than the J-20
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Naval defense news from February:
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -news.html

NAVDEX 2015 Naval Defense exhibition show daily:
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -news.html

And some fresher news from March:
French Navy Rafale M Fighter Conducts Qualifications with USS Carl Vinson in the Gulf
DCNS selected, through a multinational consortium, to contribute to NATO Ballistic Missile Defence
NAVAIR fits U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier Jets with new Digital Technology to Expand Mission
U.S. Navy MQ-4C Triton UAS To Be Forward Deployed in Guam in 2017
Northrop Grumman Wins US Navy's Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program Contract
Germany orders 18 NH90 NFH "Sea Lion" Helicopters for its Navy
Colombia Navy to support EU anti-piracy operation in the Indian Ocean
Royal Canadian Navy Victoria-Class Submarine Fleet is Operational
more at link:
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -news.html
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For the next PLAN news update, some detective work yet again:

It is about the long-rumoured follow-on to the Yu-6 Heavy Weight Torpedo, reportedly designated the Yu-10.


It has, more or less, officially began with Bill Gertz usually alarmist, but rather reliable and authoritative article in the Washington Free Beacon about China "Testing a high-speed precision guided torpedo", accompanied with an ill-fitting photo of a Yu-7 LWT launch, dating November 14th 2013:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... d-torpedo/

Due to the typical cryptic and inexpressive nature of Chinese military report on which this Gertz article was based, it was largely ignored by the western PLA-Watching community.

Then, in Summer 2014, Chinese state media leaked some pictures of an unknown and never-seen-before heavy-weight torpedoe, featuring what could be flank-array and pump-jet propulsion according to some analysts:

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More here:

http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/h/sli ... 9.html#p=1

Again, people didnt know what to do with these pictures and quickly forgot about them.

But now, Chinese military forums are buzzing with people discussing recent insider leaks about certain "Yu-8, Yu-9 and Yu-10 torpedos" having finished their trials and are being introduced into service for quite some weeks now. What makes me doubtful at first is that noone has ever heard anything about these designations at all. But now, after consistent buzzing over multiple chinese military BBS boards, and lots of "Big Shrimps" (Chinese term for insiders/leakers with well known credentials) supporting these rumours with selective leaks, I began digging deeper into that matter.

Coincidentially, Feng, a long-time fellow Chinese military blogger writing for Information Dissemination and Defense News, and who has good reputation among professional military analysts who are often quoting his posts, has written an entry mentioning the ongoing ruckus about the new torpedo:

http://www.informationdissemination.net ... naval.html

In his view, the Yu-10 rumours seem credible, as the PLAN has acknowledged the need for a high-speed and long ranged torpedo that is able to chase down the very fast and deep diving USN Nuclear Attack Submarines, as the previous Yu-3A and Yu-6 family arent all that suitable for that role anymore.

Today, a "Big Shrimp" has leaked the prospective stats of the Yu-10 heavy weight torpedo:
鱼10果然牛啊

低速搜索时约28节,中速40节,高速至少55节……无级变速(不会咔嗒一下从一个速度段直接窜到另一个速度段,而是流畅滑顺的过渡,噪音和排放小)。射程60KM。

典型目标是潜艇、大型舰艇编队等等……

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Yu-10, the next generation heavy-weight torpedo and the successor of the current Yu-6, was long rumored to be roughly comparable to the Mk-48 Mod-6.

According to the big shrimp, the stats are following:

Low-speed not slower than 28 knots
Medium-speed 40 knots
Top-speed not slower than 55 knots

(possibly top speed still same as the Yu-6/Mk-48 i.e. 65 knots)

Smooth, level-less transition to the different speeds, resulting in low noise emission.

Maximum range of 60 km (at unknown speed)

Another interesting chart that I've found; showing the developmental schedule of the different Chinese torpedos:

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The Yu-10 is described to be an "optical-fiber guided long-range high speed torpedo", while the Yu-9 is a "multi-purpose torpedo". The Yu-11 seems to be the follow on to the Yu-7 as the next gen light-weight torpedo possibly for ASW choppers and the surface-vessel's triple launchers.

Also interesting that it seems that China's current ASROC is actually not designated CY-3 but Yu-8 (Which was long rumoured to be a new type of heavy torp with a chemical reaction warhead). This would also be in line with the most recent rumours saying that the Yu-8 is indeed that same weapon that we called "CY-3" before.


Bottom line:

After more than one years of rumors and mysterious official chinese and foreign reports on the development of a new torpedo, the Yu-10's evidence seems to have gained enough evidence to be considered a real thing.

As for the Yu-9, Yu-11 etc. we'd still need more leaks and evidence to support their existence before going on...


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Thanks added this to our list.

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Hongjian, intresting news you bring to us [:)]

It seems history like to repeat themselves,
I mean look at Yu-6, Chinese-Russian contract for 211TT1 and chinese internet stories about "China fishermans reverse-engineering Mk48,ok ,yes, no no russian involvement"
if someone intresting in this story : https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-torpedos.t5640/


and now we see similar event[:D]:

"UGST and torpedo propulsion system TPS-53 Decree of the President of Russia on September 2, 2003 were included in the list of weapons intended for export. Advertising passport to them was approved 2004 In the media mentioned the contract of "NII Morteplotehniki" with the China State Shipbuilding Corporation"
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So, Hongjian, what version circulate in Chinese forums this time? Reverse-engineering DM2-A4? Black Shark IF21? Martians?
Obviously no russian involvements [:D]

please, keep us informed

Well, jokes aside, UGST is good torpedo that greatly boost PLAN submarines capabilities, even if it called Yu-10 [:)]
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Thanks for reminding me of this important piece of news. I've been wondering for quite a few years about what this Russian purchase package might entail for China's torpedo development. Now, it seems clear that the Yu-10 could at least have technologies of the UGST incorporated. This would give China a very capable heavy weight torpedo. Any speculation about the homing mode? 53-65KE that were also in service in the PLAN since the Kilo purchases in the early 2000s already provided China wake-homing guidance technologies, but the UGST is conventional Active/Passive sonar homing. The seeker on the 'mystery torpedo' looks close to the one on the UGST, at least (with a 'flat face').

There are actually no rumours regarding the heritage of the Yu-10 torpedo in the Chinese internet boards.

IMHO, the body of the 'mystery torpedo' looks kinda like the DM2-A4...
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Active-passive acoustic homing system developing by GKNPC"Region", flat transceiver radiating antenna array with adjustable field of view. Also in the homing head used multichannel active sonars.

Time indication trail after a surface ship - up to 350 seconds

Funny fact this homing head proved to be immune to all torpedo decoys in Russian Navy even when not controlled by wire (this lead to developing "hard kill" system Paket (more precisely anti-torpedo M-15, export name ATE))

torpedo by themselves also interesting
UGST have three driving modes
40 km with 65 knots
50 km with 50 knots
60 km with 40 knots
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IMHO, the body of the 'mystery torpedo' looks kinda like the DM2-A4...

Hard to say with this quality of photo, homing head 100% not from DM2-A4


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MU90 finally declared operational on NH-90 Caaïman Marine.
This Friday, March 13, 2015 will remain an important date for the Cayman Marine who becomes a combat helicopter ASM in its own right following the statement by the General Staff of the Navy of an initial operational capability shot from the MU90 torpedo.

This is a major milestone for the torque capability FREMM / Cayman that can now "treat" even more lengthens the latest underwater threats independently.
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I've heard a lot of militaries have been having problems with NH90s. Are they French doing OK with them?
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As far as I know, from Admiral Bruno Thouvenin interviewed in last Air Fan, Step A airframes' availability is around 30-40%.

In my opinion, what makes it troublesome is that other helicopters' service life have been extended so much that the pressure is now greater than it should have been on a platform that have been itself delayed and thus is going through its expectable teething problems only now.
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