Suicide surface attacks by sub....

[Snigbert]

KYPIYP - Keep your pistol in your pants?

[pasternakski]

Five for six, Snig. Woody Woodpecker knows the sixth word ...

[PzB74]

More and more reports of Jap subs getting spanked by surface ships that they are engaging on the surface!

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Sub attack at 43,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, Shell hits 20

Allied Ships
AO Tippecanoe, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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I've now experienced half a dozen such incidents in short time...more than happened in the entire war I guess.

If a sub torpedoes and opens fire with a 5'5in guns on a merchant, the surprise and shock should greatly decrease the chance of taking damaging return fire.

[Grumbling Grogn]

I had the same thing happen to a pair of S class boats last night in the slot.

I was engaging a HUGE convoys of unescorted IJN transports on two separate occassions.

One sub had 3 salvos left the other had 2 salvos left. One ended up sunk and the other so crippled it could not make it back to any port other than Tulagi where it was able to hide for a week and repair enough of its FLT damage to limp home (theres a story for "Life"). Both were on the surface and shelling the transports.

Something needs to be tweaked in the sub AI IMHO.

[bradfordkay]

I've had my subs surface to fight regularly, usually at night but not always. I find it hard to fault the boys for being too aggressive. After all, I sent them out there to destroy the enemy. Sometimes they don't show a lot of common sense, going after combat vessels on the surface. But at least they're taking the fight to the enemy.

The other night I was surprised to receive a report of the S-47 putting a torpedo into the Yamato (June 14, 1942) on the approaches to Shortland. I like to keep a sub on patrol in that area, it has been a very good hunting ground. Unfortunately, there have been no subsequent reports from the S-47, so I can only assume that Yamato's escort exacted their revenge. I suppose we should call htat one a suicide attack, but the Yamato was not part of a bombardment mission to Lunga a couple of night's later. Maybe their sacrifice saved a few lives...

[fcooke]

It's a great comment on the quality of UV that we're down to niggling about over aggressive subs.....that said, I've had a S boat in pretty good health (under 5 sys damage) get sunk outright by a IJN barge. Barge hit the S boat a few times with the heavy machine guns and bye bye S boat. Seemed a bit extreme but I can chalk it up to the wackiness of war. Probably not worth diverting resources from WITP but would like to see it sorted out in UV at some point.

[HawaiiFive-O]

I routinely have my subs peppered by 25 mm fire from barges. In fact, just a few days ago, 3 S-Boats were knocked out by barge fire. Not sunk, but they'll have to go back to Pearl.

I admire my captain's aggressiveness, but question their intelligence!