Or you strike their second line and their HQs. Now they have limited mobility and reorganization capability. Your aircraft is ready to strike their front line, next impulse, where you want to break through.ORIGINAL: brian brian
An Air Impulse plus an Offensive Chit is a powerful thing for a rich Major Power, and not just for Strategic Bombing. On the Air Impulse, your entire Air Force pounds the enemy front line. Then, all of your HQs reorganize aircraft. On your next impulse (summer time in Europe is best for this), an O-Chit re-orgs all of your HQs. Now your Air Force flies again, and your tanks move out...
Ground attack vs Ground support
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RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
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RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
Yesterday I decided to start using ground strikes in Barbarossa fast start and was pleasantly surprised by the results. On the Germans opening move I used AIR in the selection box. I did 4 ground attacks on hexes with at least 2 units in them on the northern front. In three of the hexes both units were disorganized and in the 4th hex one of the two units were disorganized, I used all available German air power to do this.
Now of course I had no movement of German armored or infantry allowed by doing that. I also did what another poster suggested and use my HQ's to reorganize all air units which only needed a 1 to be reorganized just for a test. The Russian land move was very limited but only in the North.
On the German 2nd move, 3rd impulse of the first turn the German units cut off all supply of two of the 4 Russian units which were easily disposed of in the land attack, on the German 3rd move 5th impulse of the first turn I cut off supply to the 2 remaining Russian units and disposed of them easily. On the re-airbase phase I sent 4 air units to the central and southern armies.
The weather was clear for 11 phases of the first turn so everything worked very well because of some luck involved. At the start of the second turn the Germans were in excellent shape to continue the attack in the north, decent shape with the central command and soso with the southern command near Odessa.
Even though that attack worked to perfection with luck there were some negatives. The Hq's were disorganized after the first German impulse because they reorganized the German air units, this meant they could not keep up with the German armored and infantry units in the north nor could the German units stray to far away from their supply bases which was not good as there was very little opposition in front of these units.
My conclusion is that I am not sure if I would do this again, I had good results from the ground attacks and good weather, next time might not be so good, HQ's reorganizing the air units right away might had been better in the south as compared to the northern front. It was just a test but I did not like having my HQ's disorganized so early in the first phase of the first turn. Any comments?
Bo
Now of course I had no movement of German armored or infantry allowed by doing that. I also did what another poster suggested and use my HQ's to reorganize all air units which only needed a 1 to be reorganized just for a test. The Russian land move was very limited but only in the North.
On the German 2nd move, 3rd impulse of the first turn the German units cut off all supply of two of the 4 Russian units which were easily disposed of in the land attack, on the German 3rd move 5th impulse of the first turn I cut off supply to the 2 remaining Russian units and disposed of them easily. On the re-airbase phase I sent 4 air units to the central and southern armies.
The weather was clear for 11 phases of the first turn so everything worked very well because of some luck involved. At the start of the second turn the Germans were in excellent shape to continue the attack in the north, decent shape with the central command and soso with the southern command near Odessa.
Even though that attack worked to perfection with luck there were some negatives. The Hq's were disorganized after the first German impulse because they reorganized the German air units, this meant they could not keep up with the German armored and infantry units in the north nor could the German units stray to far away from their supply bases which was not good as there was very little opposition in front of these units.
My conclusion is that I am not sure if I would do this again, I had good results from the ground attacks and good weather, next time might not be so good, HQ's reorganizing the air units right away might had been better in the south as compared to the northern front. It was just a test but I did not like having my HQ's disorganized so early in the first phase of the first turn. Any comments?
Bo
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Jagdtiger14
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RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
bo: If in preparing for Barbarossa, Germany had built a third O-chit, then you could use your second one to re-org your HQ's and still have an O-chit in reserve.
Don't count on a human USSR opponent keeping those types of stacks in range of German air pre-Barbarossa.
Don't count on a human USSR opponent keeping those types of stacks in range of German air pre-Barbarossa.
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RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14
bo: If in preparing for Barbarossa, Germany had built a third O-chit, then you could use your second one to re-org your HQ's and still have an O-chit in reserve.
Don't count on a human USSR opponent keeping those types of stacks in range of German air pre-Barbarossa.
Thank you Jadg, no I would not count on that, I was just trying different tactics with air power in Barbarossa fast start.
Also I rarely played or tested Barbarossa, I just worked on Guadalcanal and Fascist Tide, and truthfully I just noticed the "O" chit in fast start thanks to you and have not used it as of yet, almost all of the time if I play Barbarossa I use the new game setup I made up a long time ago. I know, I am not the brightest lamp on the street[:(]
Bo
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
Why not try it and only use one HQ to reorganize the air units? Then you have two German HQs available to advance so that the German forces can exploit the Soviet rear areas. Focus the bombers and HQs on one front.I was just trying different tactics with air power in Barbarossa fast start.
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: Orm
Why not try it and only use one HQ to reorganize the air units? Then you have two German HQs available to advance so that the German forces can exploit the Soviet rear areas. Focus the bombers and HQs on one front.I was just trying different tactics with air power in Barbarossa fast start.
That is what Terry Pratchett would do Orm, or a good player like you but not the Bo, why would I not do that, because it would make sense to do it that way [:D] I am going to start using the "O" chit Jadg made me aware of.
Bo
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paulderynck
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RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
Not using the O-chit in Barb is like lessening the scenario length by a full turn. It's no wonder you were having so much trouble as the Germans.
Paul
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: paulderynck
Not using the O-chit in Barb is like lessening the scenario length by a full turn. It's no wonder you were having so much trouble as the Germans.
Oh nice now you tell me [:D] Never saw it paul, no excuses.
Bo
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
Do not forget to use the Soviet offence to make some spectacular counter attack.
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: Orm
Do not forget to use the Soviet offence to make some spectacular counter attack.
Ahem Orm I am always the Germans and I do not need a spectacular counter attack
from a dumb old Russian player. Meaning me [:(]
Bo
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
You made a tiny error in your post. I corrected it for you.ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: Orm
Do not forget to use the Soviet offence to make some spectacular counter attack.
Ahem Orm I am always the Germans and I do not need a spectacular counter attack
from a brilliant Russian player. Meaning me [:(]
Bo
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: Orm
You made a tiny error in your post. I corrected it for you.ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: Orm
Do not forget to use the Soviet offence to make some spectacular counter attack.
Ahem Orm I am always the Germans and I do not need a spectacular counter attack
from a brilliant Russian player. Meaning me [:(]
Bo
I usually do not make errors,[&:] even tiny ones Orm [:(] Could you please point out my tiny error, and if there was a tiny error thank you in advance for finding it.[;)]
Bo
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
Indeed. It was my mistake to call it an error. I just made a small change in your post so that it reflected the reality that you were to humble to write. [:)]ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: Orm
You made a tiny error in your post. I corrected it for you.ORIGINAL: bo
Ahem Orm I am always the Germans and I do not need a spectacular counter attack
from a brilliant Russian player. Meaning me [:(]
Bo
I usually do not make errors,[&:] even tiny ones Orm [:(] Could you please point out my tiny error, and if there was a tiny error thank you in advance for finding it.[;)]
Bo
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: Ground attack vs Ground support
ORIGINAL: Orm
Indeed. It was my mistake to call it an error. I just made a small change in your post so that it reflected the reality that you were to humble to write. [:)]ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: Orm
You made a tiny error in your post. I corrected it for you.
I usually do not make errors,[&:] even tiny ones Orm [:(] Could you please point out my tiny error, and if there was a tiny error thank you in advance for finding it.[;)]
Bo
Aha I understand now thank you [&o] it was that word error that made me cringe in horror [:D]
Bo