Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman Resigned GHC Victory T-15

[Peltonx]

AGS destroys last turns pocket, forms another 2 division pocket and destroys 10 AP and 2 HVY. CVs have dropped off allot and the number of units is very low. The infantry can’t keep up because they have been wiping out a new pocket every turn. AGS will try and push hard for a few turns and see what happens.

[Peltonx]

Turn 6 GHC Armaments: 85,000 Manpower: 25,000

HQBUs used: 1
Armament Pts Destroyed = 23
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 15
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,475,000 Stavka OOB: 3,770,000

AGN starts a right hook, but meets a wall of very high CV. No right hook this game. allot of very high cv in Leningrad area.

[Peltonx]

AGC forms a nice pocket of 9 high CV units.

[Peltonx]

AGS bags a few more units, getting low on MP at the end of the chain.

[Peltonx]

Turn 7 GHC Armaments: 87,000 Manpower: 25,000 VP: 177

HQBUs used: 2
Armament Pts Destroyed = 39
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 20
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,655,000 Stavka OOB: 3,837,000
AGN pockets 3 more divisions. Stavka has a 2 rows of high CV wall from Leningrad to 4 hexes south of Lake Ilmen so panzers head south as there is next to nothing in the center. Pitman appears to be all in near Leningrad and down by Stalino leaving the center wide open.

[Peltonx]

AGC is a nut house of which TDV would be proud. Not sure how many cav divisions are in the marsh, but its worth pocketing. AGC panzers heads south to link up with the Panzer Corp that’s been released from AGS. There is nothing as in nothing in the center east of the rivers. I am guessing he thinks hes going to cut a rail line? Sad thing is I don’t have a rail line withen 12 hexs to north and 20+ to south. I do have more then a few AARs that clearly shows where my railheads are yet the mad marsh madness heheheh. 2 HQBU done here.

[Peltonx]

AGS finishes off its pocket and rests. I do HQBU’s next turn and see what I can pocket. Odessa is being a pain in the butt. The LW moves next door and starts bombing the port.

[Callistrid]

Pelton, you won this game. Pitman sacrifice his troops, but he failed to slow you. On south, the way is open to capture Kharkov, D-town, and Stalino.
The heavy looses before the mid turns came (6-13 turn).
The rail lines on center are damn close to the frontline, so HKBU, and the following turns moscow will be on focus.

The situation seems to be helpless.

On T07 will you post casualty list? After you eliminate all pockets.

[Peltonx]

Turn 8 GHC Armaments: 87,000 Manpower: 25,000 VP: 179

HQBUs used: 3
Armament Pts Destroyed = 43
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 23
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,722,000
Stavka OOB: 4,025,000
AGN forms a large pocket just north of the land bridge. Stavka simply has way way to many troops defending Leningrad, not sure why a Russian player would think they can hold Leningrad vs even and average GHC player?
I am sure vs a computer it is easy, but a human simply has to plow to the city then put the port at 100% damage in 4 turns and its over. A players should delay, no more then that. I have done recon to east in center and its wide open. Moscow should be Stavkas #1 thing to hold not Leningrad.
Check out all the engineers repairing rail lines ƒº Seeing I don¡¦t use HQBU much I transfer all con units to AGC,AGN and AGS HQ¡¦s+ a few to OKH. The main lines going to Leningrad and Moscow already have 2 ties from north to south. 1 line has been cut by partisans which did not stop supplies because of the north south ties. This also remedies the issue with AGS only having one FDB. Every rail hex should be repaired by summer 42.

[Peltonx]

AGC forms a massive pocket. The western most units are cut off, the center of the marsh is cut off and hole mess is cut. The eastern most pocket will not hold this turn, but all the rail lines are cut so its just a matter of time now. Industry at Bryansk was destoried also. Again why all these troops in this area? Stavka is not even close to a railhead, troops on a mission to no wheres.

[Peltonx]

AGS does 1 HQBU and 1st PG pushes towards Stalino, Odessa port is at 45% damage. The LW is just about usless in the south after turn 4 so I will keep it busy. The port should be completely closed in 2 turns and the Romanians will finish it off. The south also has way to many troops in it, this is a poor picture, but behind the front is a checker board of duoble stacked units in forts, which makes it easy for me to pocket 6-9 units per turns once gas issue is better or after I do HQBUs. Also the Odessa thing is simply sillyness as the LW has nothing better to do and once port is semi closed the Romanias can close it even vs a lvl 5 fort. The troops could be used better west of Moscow.

[Pitaman]

Pelton,

My hat is off to you at the speed and distance your panzers moved. I misjudged that and will pay a price for that. That said, all is not lost for the motherland so long as her sons and daughters continue to fight. Don't be so sure that your rail lines are safe. You still have to round up those units in the marshes and they may be isolated by they can still move and be supplied by air. BTW, the industry in Brysansk was already moved.

There are plenty of turns to go before this game will be over.

Again, my hat is off to you regarding the speed and distance your panzers move. Will judge that better in the future. Lastly, I appreciate your playing this game with me as I am enjoying it as well as learning how to play this game better.

Regards,

Pitaman

[821Bobo]

Pitaman Callistrid is right, you are doomed and it is not shame to throw in the towel.

[Pitaman]

821Bobo,

Everyone thought Russia was doomed in the summer of 1941, but they won in the end. I admit my mistakes in this game but I also have positive news when compared to other AARs I have seen. First, I have been fairly good at evacuating industry. Second, I believe I will be successful in evacuating most of the remaining industry in the south before he takes those cities. Third, my northern front is very stable and with some good fortune we will hold on to Leningrad. Lastly, time is on Russia's side. Every turn I delay him, brings us closer to mud and then winter. It will take time and troops to clear the Russian troops in the center.

You may be right that all is lost but we will only know that when we continue to play out this game.

Pitaman

[Callistrid]

Pitaman,

the northern front is not stable. Your troops casulties are high, and the german rail lines are close. The german can transport, and refit the 4th Pz army and try to use the right hook east from Novgorod, or attack Leningrad crossing the Luga line.

The industrial evacuation don't really count this time, because Pelton need just to capture Leningrad, Moscow, Kharkov, and Rostov before 42. And in the current situation he will take all of them.

Your center front don't exist, so defending Moscow is impossible. You will buy one turn, but on T09 your forces will be pocketed, and eliminated. And without troops you cant defend the key positions.

I have no clue about your current OOB numbers, but if the soviet forces stand under 4000k, or even less (3,500k), you can't do anyhing.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Pitaman

821Bobo,

Everyone thought Russia was doomed in the summer of 1941, but they won in the end. I admit my mistakes in this game but I also have positive news when compared to other AARs I have seen. First, I have been fairly good at evacuating industry. Second, I believe I will be successful in evacuating most of the remaining industry in the south before he takes those cities. Third, my northern front is very stable and with some good fortune we will hold on to Leningrad. Lastly, time is on Russia's side. Every turn I delay him, brings us closer to mud and then winter. It will take time and troops to clear the Russian troops in the center.

You may be right that all is lost but we will only know that when we continue to play out this game.

Pitaman

I had TDV under 3.5 million by blizzard and he still raped me.

But its mild blizzard and not 1v1=2v1.

I am enjoying the game as your not the standard player, but I don't think under the current ruleset those tactics don't work any more (IF) the German player is watchfull or has exp vs it.

Your not close to any railheads and I don't have to clear the eastern most troops in the center.
They like the troops by Leningrad are strategy out of position, but worse as rail lines are cut and they have to spend a turn saving themselves while I can simply keep plowing east or cut other rail lines.

Sure it cost me a turn, but its only turn 8.

[Pitaman]

You may be right, but we will have to continue playing to see how it pans out.

Either way, I am enjoying playing the game.

Regards,

Pitaman

[Peltonx]

Turn 9 GHC Armaments: 87,000 Manpower: 25,000 VP: 188

HQBUs used: 3
Armament Pts Destroyed = 70 (3)
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 36 (3)
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,825,000 Stavka OOB: 4,109,000
AGN closes off a small pocket and panzers head for Moscow. I will probably finish off the pockets, rest panzers and do HQBU’s.

[Peltonx]

AGC forms a very large pocket that cannot be broken, plus another 6-8 units in the marsh. Resistance is weak, next stop Tula? No HQBUs needed here getting 30-35 MP’s, fuel cans dropped to the southern PC.

[Peltonx]

AGS opens up a 30 mile wide hole in the lines and wipes out 27 AP 13 HVY in the Stalino Metro area. Russian CVs are weak just like in the center and I am guessing only going to get weaker. Next stop Rostov or Kharkov. To many troops at Odessa and the Crimea-there is nothing there of strategic importance, those troops could have formed a 3rd line of defence. Now there is nothing basicly between my panzers and Stalingrad other then empty gas tanks.