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RE: USS Helena: "Turn-to and Evade"

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8DEC41
At sea, south of Pearl Harbor...

Helena's task force is cruising in Condition III, air and surface watch stations are manned, guns have skeleton crews, and ammo is at near ready. It was a nice break from Battle Stations, and then the rest of yesterday spent at Condition II. The Forewatch was just changing over with the sun high in the sky when there was a terrified cry:

"TORPEDOS! FOUR POINTS OFF STARBORD BOW!"

On the Bridge, the Executive Officer, Commander Richardson, quietly uttered an expletive followed by a series of rapid fire orders: "Helm, come right, four-five degrees, right standard rudder."

"Aye sir, coming right forty five degrees, right standard rudder. New course two fifty five relative."

"Easy on the wheel Stick, damnit."

Then to the JA Talker: "Engine room: all stop on the starboard shaft. Repeat full stop on the number four shaft. Flag bag: hoist Turn Starboard Niner NOW!."

"Aye sir full stop number four shaft," came the reply from the engine room.

"Commander, what are you doing?"

"Mind your helm Stick. And god damnit how many times do I have to tell you, I want each number individually." Stick looked at him, puzzled. "I want to hear 'four five' repeated to me, not 'forty five'.

"Aye sir."

Helena heeled a bit, but responded smartly to her rudder and screws. As she steadied onto her new course, Cdr. Richardson called down to the engine room again, and ordered number four shaft back online. The ship threaded the torpedoes perfectly.

"And that, Stick, is how you turn-to and evade, ya Asiatic sonofabitch."

Commander Richardson turned back to Stick to say something else, when the deck beneath them shook. Honolulu, which was directly astern of Helena, did not see the full spread, and had not turned as quickly as her half-sister. One passed ahead, two passed astern, but one planted itself in Honolulu's forward chain locker, blowing off about 20 feet of bow with it.

Captain English was now on the bridge, and ordered the group to increase speed to 25 knots, which Honolulu could still make, so they could clear the area. He then ordered Condition I be maintained for the next hour. At that point, the crippled cruiser would be detached with a destroyer and head for Pearl.

From Jim's station at the main damage control board, he was uneasy. Torpedo attacks by submarines were something he thought he had gotten away from over here in the Pacific. 24 hours in, and the war is at my front door, he thought. What have I gotten myself into? At least they were at Condition II now, and he could have one of the mess boys bring coffee down. He both loved and hated the stuff. Coffee was often a staple for, and the measure of a fighting man. Jim could do without it.

His thoughts were broken by the PA:

"... and it is my sad duty to inform you that our sister Honolulu did not make it back to Pearl. She was hit again, and in vulnerable condition, she was... finished." He was silent for a moment. "Her survivors have been picked up, and they will fight again."

"We will remain at Condition II until we meet up with the rest of our ships in the next day or so. Stay vigilante. Stay focused. Do your job. That is all."


[font="Courier New"]The Japanese continue raiding Manila and Singapore, and are now being seen as far south as Kendari. This is faster than expected, and not a good sign for units in the Philippines or the Java area...
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RE: USS Helena: "Cat With Paper Bag on Head"

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9DEC41

As Helena journeys to join her assigned task force, the work of war continues apace.

Japan's inexorable march to take control of what they refer to as the "Southern Resource Area", also known as Java, Borneo, and the Dutch East Indies continues with alacrity. He has split up Kido Butai's six carriers. CarDiv One (Akagi/Kaga) and CarDiv Two (Soryu/Hiryu) have taken station off of Soerbaja, Java and are giving the Dutch a hell of a time. They've left a swath of destruction in their wake. CarDiv Five (Shokaku/Zuikaku) has not been heard from.

[font="Courier New"]It concerns me, as they have significant endurance, and could pop up somewhere unexpected.

One thing I failed to notice was that the Japanese took a base on the north east peninsula of the island of Celebes, called Manado. It's about halfway between Davao in the Philippines to the north, and Kendari to the south. It was taken with ease, and as such he based Nells there immediately. The Celebes Sea exits through that choke point, and was where I was routing my shipping from Manila.

So imagine my surprise when I had formed CA Houston into a task force with CLs Boise and Marblehead with some destroyers, that they were jumped first by planes from CVL Ryujo and then by Nells from Manado. Marblehead is sunk, and the other cruisers are damaged. Now I have to retire them to Darwin ASAP through the Banda Sea. Not happy.

As I have said before, these moves are not unexpected. It seems however, that four years off from playing has caused me to take the "Cat With Paper Bag on Head" approach.
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RE: USS Helena: "That Kind of Thinking Will Make You Crazy"

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10DEC41

The body blows are staggering. The Japanese, it seems, are everywhere. Aboard Helena, life continues, but with a higher tempo - and higher tension. Not the mindless, "when are we going to get on with it" kind of tension of last week. The kind of tension that comes from vigilance, and "are we getting it next."

Jim can't think that way. "That kind of thinking will make you crazy," he tells Gutterman.

Three days ago, Jim was pulling Gutterman out of a fight over something neither man cared remember. Now, they're minding watch at Aft Damage Control. A Minnesota native, and the youngest of five boys, John Gutterman was no stranger to mixing it up. Seven years older than his boss, he wondered how this southern hick kid got promoted over him. The Navy has it reasons, he thought. He just better not have to be changing this kid's diaper when stuff hit the fan.

In his stateroom, Captain English is re-reading a message from his new boss, Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, informing him that he has been promoted to Rear Admiral, and that at his earliest ability, report to Fleet Headquarters for assignment.

He was of two minds as he re-read the message a fourth time. On the one side there was the excitement and satisfaction of being promoted. On the other, it was always hard to say goodbye to men you developed a bond with. "Well," he thought, "if I'm reporting to Malakapa, then I'll still be out here near the action and not in some backwater command." The message did not name his relief, rather, it gave a number, and that number was garbled. No matter, the change of command won't happen until they make port anyway.

[font="Courier New"]Houston and several DDs tangle with a couple of IJN CAs at night near Manado, with not much damage either way. However Houston is hit again hard, this time by bombers, and she is now limping toward Darwin. Boise was also hit by those bombers as well.

Rabaul is now being assaulted, as is Guam.

CarDiv Five has been found 200mi North of Darwin, and has begun airstrikes on the port and airfields. There's also an invasion fleet right behind. This I did NOT foresee. No sense worrying about it. Can't stop it, but I do have plans for it....

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RE: USS Helena: "Cat With Head in Paper Bag"

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If I had torpedoes coming at me off the starboard bow at four points, I wouldn't say "right standard rudder" that's for sure. It would be "RIGHT FULL RUDDER" and "PORT ENGINE AHEAD FLANK, STARBOARD ENGINE EMERGENCY BACK FULL" or words to that effect!!!!
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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If I had torpedoes coming at me off the starboard bow at four points, I wouldn't say "right standard rudder" that's for sure. It would be "RIGHT FULL RUDDER" and "PORT ENGINE AHEAD FLANK, STARBOARD ENGINE EMERGENCY BACK FULL" or words to that effect!!!!

If you did that, the ship would go hard over with a loss of momentum, risking a collision with the vessel behind, with the added risk of throwing the column into disarray. And you'd be explaining to the Captain why the starboard screw now chatters, or the shaft is bent, or the bearings are fried.

Or why he's now wearing his coffee...
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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No Admiral, I don't agree with your analysis in terms of being hit by the ship astern (I was an OOD on a CGN, a DDG and a CV so I know something about the ramifications of such a turn) and I would MUCH rather have the captain wear his coffee than a life jacket while swimming in the sea!
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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Points taken.

I had some misgivings about writing the scene the way I did, and I should have more carefully considered my response to you.

What I should have said was that although the protocol for the evasive maneuver was not what you would expect, it fit where the story is going. Insofar as the physics of it, I'm going to ask for some suspension of disbelief.

The movie of this AAR plays in my head...
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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Not to worry Admiral, my response was really of the knee-jerk variety (with emphasis on the last word for my part!) in that it seemed an odd thing to say given a crisis! However, admittedly I've never been on a ship facing a spread of torpedoes. Yet, while on a cruise in the Indian Ocean, I was the JOOD on the CGN (DLGN at the time) at night (a VERY black night, no moon) when a wooden dhow (small sailing craft NOT visible to radar) right off the bow lit a "pot bomb" or oil light as he obviously saw US, and it was clear that we were going to run it down if no drastic action was taken. We DID do the maneuver that I describe. There were ramifications, but the dhow was not run down but it was rocked badly! The backing of the starboard screw was largely symbolic as it never backed but it was seriously slowed so as to facilitate the turn. It was followed quickly by a left full rudder so as to swing the stern away from the dhow. Hal
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I would MUCH rather have the captain wear his coffee than a life jacket while swimming in the sea!

Very sound point. However, if the Exec was trying to "comb" the spread instead of going outside it, a standard rudder rather than full rudder might possibly have been the better choice after all.
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I would MUCH rather have the captain wear his coffee than a life jacket while swimming in the sea!

Very sound point. However, if the Exec was trying to "comb" the spread instead of going outside it, a standard rudder rather than full rudder might possibly have been the better choice after all.
Perhaps next time the OOD will be prepared to warn the ships behind by hoisting the "torpedoes incoming" signal. A pair of soiled underwear would do ...
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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if the Exec was trying to "comb" the spread instead of going outside it, a standard rudder rather than full rudder might possibly have been the better choice after all.
That is one "might" that I would not leave to any chance, turning the ship VERY quickly into an opposite bearing ASAP to me would be the best option. The faster the better. Also if there is ANYTHING that would tell the ship astern that something is horribly wrong it would be that the ship ahead is executing an emergency maneuver which would register to the ship astern LONG before a signal hoist would be hoisted, read, delivered, understood and then finally acted upon. Hal
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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This is all very enlightening. I saw the scene in my head, but didn't flesh it out as maybe I could have.

dr.hal, now I understand your point of view and can see why the OOD's orders seemed not drastic enough (nice bit of seamanship avoiding the dhow). My flip response didn't help.

Capt. Harlock, you caught on to what I was looking to create as to "combing the tracks". I had to go back and sketch out the attack on paper to flesh out how it would be that torpedoes spotted would only require a 45° turn. The sub would have fired near a 90° deflection shot from about 4000 yards before a "zig" in a zigzag pattern, putting the torps on a 45° bearing from Helena. With 15kt column speed and 50kt torp, the torps would have to be spotted about 1000 yds away there would have been about 45 seconds to impact - precious little time to decide.

BBfanboy lol, soiled breeches...

dr.hal again, I read somewhere that back then the theory was that for anything less than 90° deflection on incoming torps, the doctrine was to turn toward torps as that was with quickest way to get parallel to them and that the most likely hit would be on the bow because a turn away would put it in the screws. That's where I got the idea. And you're right on the signal flag hoist. Again, something I read once upon a time and pulled out of my... fertile imagination.

EVERYONE: Thank you very much for your input. Sometimes I may not get the ship handling or protocol correct in the storytelling, so I don't mind feedback. I'm working with stories my dad told me from Helena, books I've read, and things that people have taught me. I should get better as this goes along.

I may go back and re-write the scene a bit...
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(nice bit of seamanship avoiding the dhow)

I can't take credit as I didn't have the con or deck, I was the JOOD, but I was the first to spot the dhow lighting up...the OOD was a mustang with MANY years experience and whipped the ship around (using somewhat of a "williamson turn") and saved the lives of the dhow crew. One thing I did learn from that experience and ALWAYS insisted upon it after that night was to keep a VERY DARK bridge watch. It was a tongue lashing to any person bringing ANY light on the bridge if I had the deck and the crew teams knew it. If your bridge is dark your night vision is GREATLY improved.
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And I like your story line very much so keep it up, the story holds it all together. Hal
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RE: USS Helena: "Our Job Now is to Hold."

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11DEC41
"... and after the night engagement off Manado, both Houston and Boise were attacked by bombers. They and their screens have been lost. No word on the survivors yet."

The Captain paused for a moment, looking around the wardroom at the senior staff.

"The Japanese are beating us soundly at every turn. I would like to say that they are not better than we are, but the results say otherwise." He held up a cartoon caricature of a Japanese man.
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"The stereotype of the slant-eyed, glasses-wearing, buck-toothed house rat that you saw in the movies and magazines is a cartoon."

Captain English then passed around pictures of stately, serious-looking Japanese men in full dress naval uniform bedecked with medals and gold braid.
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"Men like THESE are the men we are fighting. They are well equipped, well trained, and well led. Those above our pay grade know who these men are. Their leadership is smart, educated, and well-versed in the same tactics that we are, perhaps even more so."

He paused again, looking at each one of them. There was a sullen look about the room. Now, he knew that he had them.

"Here is how we are going to beat them." He leaned across the table. "They think we are weak, soft, pushovers. What they don't understand is that every time we've been challenged, we've risen up. We will rise up. Their success comes so easily because we were underfunded, undermanned, and unattended. Within six months, this will feel more like a fair fight".

"The country is angry. We Americans get angry, we get motivated. We will overwhelm them. It will take some time to build up enough strength to push them back, but we will. Our job now is to hold. Learn. Improve. They are only better right now because they've been on a war footing for the last five years. We've been simulating war. Pretending it. Practicing it. Well now, by God, it's real enough.

About 30 years ago, a man named George Santayana once wrote, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'. Now is the time that if we make mistakes, we need to learn from them. And learn fast."

"Speaking of learning, let us adjourn to the bridge, I want Commander Richardson to review the torpedo attack from the other day. Subs are everywhere now, I want every OOD drilled on this to within an inch of his life. Commander, who was your helmsman on that? Chief Standrowicz?"

Almost absentmindedly Richardson replied, "Stick?" Then quickly correcting himself , "Um yes sir, it was Chief Standrowicz." Gotta remember not to do that, he mused to himself.

"Alright then, get him up here. While we're at it, let's get everyone else who stands a helm watch in on this. OoDs and JOoDs too. I don't want to have to explain to Admiral Halsey at my court marshal why he had to fish us out of the water. On the Bridge in 30 minutes, gentlemen. Ok get to it."

"Commander, a moment."

Damn it, here it comes, thought the Exec.

"Stick? There's got to be a good story behind that one."

"Yes Captain, there is."

"Well, Commander, I look forward to hearing about that - privately, of course."

"Of course. While we have a moment, please accept my congratulations on your promotion."

"It's out then? Well scuttlebutt never wastes time. Change of command will happen once we hit Pearl."

"Any word on your relief?"

"The number was garbled. Not worth breaking radio silence over though."

The two men chuckled.

"Alright, let's go show our team how not to get us all wet."

They spent the next 90 minutes reviewing torpedo evasion procedures, all the while Helena kept station off Enterprise's port beam. As secure as it felt to be in a large task force, there was a certain scrutiny you felt when you were in Admiral Halsey's command. You had to admit though, she was a beautiful sight. But as often the case with beautiful women, she required a lot of attention. Flight operations required more frequent course changes, which kept an OOD and helmsman on their toes...

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]So, Hong Kong is under siege, and I've lost another dozen merchant ships fleeing the DEI. It's a nice little chum line for him. More "Cat With Paper Bag on Head" operations for me. Trying to evacuate what I can and not get caught.[/font]
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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit."

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One thing I did learn from that experience and ALWAYS insisted upon it after that night was to keep a VERY DARK bridge watch. It was a tongue lashing to any person bringing ANY light on the bridge if I had the deck and the crew teams knew it. If your bridge is dark your night vision is GREATLY improved.

Funny you should say that. Stay tuned.
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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes [:D]

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.

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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes [:D]

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.

Palembang? With malarial mosquitoes all around and the stink of oil everywhere? How about Hawaii? That should motivate the troops!
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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes [:D]

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.
Palembang? With malarial mosquitoes all around and the stink of oil everywhere? How about Hawaii? That should motivate the troops!

My esteemed opponent would have to empty China to take Hawaii at this point...
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RE: USS Helena: "What is Life?"

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Tokyo Rose wishes to announce of previous report sinking DD Samidare incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 76, 124...

That's a real thing that happened in-game.

Not sure what to believe anymore.

What is life?
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