UV vs WiTP

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:50 am

I have to admit to being puzzled astharoth. You've clearly stated that it was "your mistake" so I dont interpret your thread as a dis against Matrix.....but i'm curious as to how you could have not realized that UV was devoted to the SoPac Theater. The information is rather clear on this fact.

I'm sorry you somewhat regret the purchase, but as i said before , dont interpret it as bad. Yes, Matrix did release UV for both cash-flow as well as to develop the engine which will power WitP.....how is that a bad thing?

The wargaming industry is always a fragile and small one and long had suffered a decline during the early-mid 90's. Now its making a comeback, and Matrix is a large part of this. But its no secret that for a company to thrive and survive it has to make $$$
Frankly i was amazed that Matrix survived so long supporting the free product Steel Panthers WAW which was worked feverently on as a labor of love simply to show the wargaming community that they were commited to it. Hence i gladly opened up my wallet to buy the mega-campaigns. UV is no different

UV acomplished both objectives.....Matrix makes dough....continues to exist.therefore WitP will continue to exist.

Players get a taste of WitP, not to mention one of the best wargames to come out in years in it's own right, and very importantly, get to make suggestions on making it even better.

astharoth · Post by **astharoth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:07 am

Nika sometime i amaze even myself, i tried to edit the title but it doesn't seem to show up the new title, well to answer to your question i knew this was about pacific theater, in one of my post ive said that i though the game was like PTO2 pacific theater of operation a snes game set in the entire pacific where you could
design and build ship set objective and so on, i don't know much about the pacific war but i bought the game cause i like strategy game in general i own all kind of strategy from ww2 to civ to space empire to wall street trader, even sports sim where you have to manage a team from A to Z.The only problem is when i
saw UV i thought it was bigger, i love the game its very cool but
ill have to spend on Witp to have the game i really want to play.
As for UV financing Witp its the way it is now, i'll have to deal with it.

As for game here like UV there is one grognard game here in devloppement a modern geo-politcal game where you can choose to play any country, do diplomacy, create army, design units etc

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:13 am

I dont think you can edit the title of a thread, only your posts.

Interesting. well, like i said, try to make the most of it. UV is a fun game, and it will help you litterally jump right into WitP when it comes out. Remember too that we are looking at close to a year's time before WitP will unveil assuming small delays. (I'm figuring December of 2003)

Long time to wait without something to cure your Pacific War "Fix"

astharoth · Post by **astharoth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:17 am

well for me the longer before witp comes out the better for 2 reason

1-saving money, i have 3 games i want eairly 2003 and won't have the money to buy Witp

2-i won't feel ive waste money on UV because when witp comes out UV is going to my closet.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:25 am

I edited the title - poster asked for the thread to be deleted - I will if he insists but think editing the title is sufficient?

Snigbert · Post by **Snigbert** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:39 am

Even if with comes out late this year, I plan to keep playing UV until the kinks and patches are worked out in the new game, and that might be another three or four months. -MikeMark

Keep in mind that because WitP is starting from a mostly bug free, stable engine, it will be released more as a finished product than UV, and most games are normally released these days. Not that WitP wont get the same support as UV, I'm sure. As someone who has been alpha testing WitP, it seems that all of the added features will require most of the testing as opposed to testing the basic systems of the game engine as we were doing with UV.
What I'm trying to get at (in an unclear manner, as I reread my post) is that I think WitP will be released as a nearly finished product at worst. And I dont think anyone who is really interested in this type of game will be disappointed with what they paid for the game.
Just my 2 cents.

Reiryc · Post by **Reiryc** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:55 am

Originally posted by Paul Vebber
I edited the title - poster asked for the thread to be deleted - I will if he insists but think editing the title is sufficient?

Title appears the same to me...

Please do correct the title though if the poster doesn't mind. It casts an undeserved bad light on the game/matrix when it was just a mistake by the poster in what he wanted when he bought it.

Reiryc

astharoth · Post by **astharoth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:57 am

yes edit it i tried and asked for it

my mistake sorry

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 6:20 am

Edited the wrong thing - I think I got it now.

Zeta16 · Post by **Zeta16** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 7:36 am

UV is such a better game than PTO2 . The thing with the Leaders picking objectives was a waste of time. UV is the best game I have ever played.

astharoth · Post by **astharoth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:07 am

thats a point of view, i prefer a bigger theater thats why Witp will be better for me

Veldor · Post by **Veldor** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:33 am

1. Command & Conquer. 10 Different Games, all within 90% the same as the original, graphics and sound improvements aside. And lets not even mention Age of Empires, Doom, or other games where the "engine" has been used over and over again to release other products. These days you can pay $30 just for the priveledge of 4 more mechs to use in Mechwarrior 4.. Or for some more scenarios for other games. WITP will have new campaigns to play, entirely different sub-theatres included in the whole, I don't see it as the same game at all.. I will probably shelf UV completely once it is out, but how is that different than most other series out there? Thats how games are.. You play what you got till you get something better.
2. Money. Matrix is hardly Microsoft. You complain that you don't have tons of money to spend on a game.. But don't the guys at Matrix need money too? They have just as many bills as anyone else. I've always been annoyed that more people aren't interested in games like these.. I've been playing wargames since I was 13.. Hardly the norm.. But thats just reality. And reality is you have to pay more for a "good quality" serious wargame... Or else even the dedicated ones like Matrix.. won't be around to make them.

UV vs WiTP

My two cents....