Why are CVs so brittle?

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RE: Why are CVs so brittle?

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Sounds like you guys are forgetting Halsey's second typhoon...
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Why are the winds and the waves so restless?
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Ship damage from wear&tear is actually a way the game slows down the tempo of operations. Most ships usually required some days in port for regular maintenance, bringing on supplies, writing reports and primarily to rest the crew. Fatigued crew is not as effective as a rested one in all kinds of things.

US Subs usually spent about month between their patrols in port - yet in game you can have sub fixed from a 50-day long patrol in a day or two and back on patrol.
Also ships in peace-time usually underwent a big "repair" period at least once a year - to fix whatever, to clear fouled bottom, etc. In wartime this was done whenever there was time (while repairing battle damage, etc.)...
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I was in the RN for 14 years and I can say for a fact that a ship never leaves port without some 'system' damage. It might be VHF radio or some water valve jammed. This may only add up to 0.01% but it's still system damage. Stay at sea for three weeks and the little thing will mount up so 1% can easily be reached.
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It is rare for military History books to get down to the levels of a few % system damage, but read about Denmark Straits battle - PE and B swapped places because B's radar was down. This is only mentioned because it caused confusion in targeting by the RN. But this sort of thing goes on all the time, it just doesn't get written about. Only in some bizarre cross discipline 'History of Engineering' text will the author even bother to find out whether the No3 Starboard ice cream maker was functional, and what the reliability stats are for 1940's electric irons using naval power supplies! As for guns, try Prince of Wales. Admittedly she was new and not properly worked up, but she was losing main turrets left right and centre! The game is very forgiving of mechanical objects. Ever had to send a ship home due to a failed MA mount after a week at sea? Thought not. ;)
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Not to mention the debilitating effect of combat. Even combat where you take no damage. Simply firing the main guns of a BB or CA would knock the ship silly and cause things to break. And woe, if it was not a well designed ship. After helping to sink the Bismark, HMS Rodney had to go to the US for a major refit. The concussion from her main batteries just knocked her silly. Springing hull plates among other things. Firing an 8 inch gun a couple of hundred times would cause the barrel linings to slip out of the barrel an inch or more. The USS Houston without the benefit of a refit and after firing her main guns quite a bit in action during the early months was shooting shells that tumbled in fight-according to her gunnery officer who wrote an account. Not to mention that she was one of many warships that set her own float planes on fire while shooting off her guns.

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I can't substantiate that the game has weather caused damage but in reality rough weather and heavy seas do a lot. I had a TF come into port looking like it had been through a typhoon. Flotation damage on all ships. Maybe it was just a lot of collisions.
Probably set the TF to Full Speed then forgot to turn it off .
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A nice quick way to have the TF spend a few months in port [:)] Not that I have never done that [8D]
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No, I only ordered a TF to full speed once in all these years and it ran out of fuel. [8|]

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Also the ship age matters, older and gets worse, also gets slower with age. A destroyer can get 5kt less. I wonder what an Omaha or a Tenryu cruiser could do as max speed and for how long in WW2.

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A gorn & a forklift?

What could possibly go wrong?
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