North Africa Please

[Jagdtiger14]

I have to agree with Warspite...for me a very tactical naval war with named ships. Even the use of frogmen.

I would even like to see the possibility that Germany can potentially take Gibraltar and closes the Med.

[Alchenar]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: XXXCorps

warspite1

Well Vic, having seen what you have achieved here, if you ever did look to do something in the Mediterranean theatre (June 1940-September 1943) I would love to be involved. It is a dream of mine that one day, hopefully before I drop off this mortal coil, I will get to play a fun, colourful, but historically-sound game of the theatre that involves land, air and naval warfare. Desert Rats vs Afrika Korps/Italians, Regia Marina vs Royal Navy, the entrance of the U-boats, the Vichy French, Malta, the supply of North Africa, Greece, Crete, Torch.... heaven!

I share this dream. The game you describe with either the DC Barbarossa or War In The West engine would be my idea of wargaming heaven.

In fact at this point I would take any new North Africa/Med wargame.

warspite1

At this point so would I - but would strongly urge any game maker not to relegate / abstract the naval war. That would be a big mistake.

I'd caution against exactly this. Game after game keels over and feels like less than what it could be because the developers tried to throw in more unique systems than they had time to flesh out completely and that the player has the capacity to manage.

See: WitP, where a decent air and naval war game is compounded by a land war system so bad that a large proportion of players play the scenario with the China war disabled because it's just such an unpleasant hassle to deal with.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Alchenar

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: XXXCorps




I share this dream. The game you describe with either the DC Barbarossa or War In The West engine would be my idea of wargaming heaven.

In fact at this point I would take any new North Africa/Med wargame.

warspite1

At this point so would I - but would strongly urge any game maker not to relegate / abstract the naval war. That would be a big mistake.

I'd caution against exactly this. Game after game keels over and feels like less than what it could be because the developers tried to throw in more unique systems than they had time to flesh out completely and that the player has the capacity to manage.

See: WitP, where a decent air and naval war game is compounded by a land war system so bad that a large proportion of players play the scenario with the China war disabled because it's just such an unpleasant hassle to deal with.

warspite1

But I think WTIP:AE is a different beast entirely. China was a land war involving millions of men, completely different to the rest of the Pacific.

A War in the Mediterranean 1940-1943 would not have that issue. The fighting - whether in North Africa, Syria, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria - even Greece - should all allow roughly equal treatment (I would envisage the game stops when Italy is ready to be invaded).

The game needs to get the naval war - concentrated on the convoys - right. Its absolutely vital to - and the centre-piece of - the theatre.

[Orm]

I rather have the complete war in the East ('41 - '45).

Or even better. The entire war in Europe. [:D]

[IslandInland]

At this point so would I - but would strongly urge any game maker not to relegate / abstract the naval war. That would be a big mistake.

I agree completely. The naval war was at least of equal importance as the ground war. It could be argued that it's more important: without the naval war and convoys there are no supplies which means there is no ground war.

[MrClock]

Before you think of a new chapter, I would prefer new scenarios for this game.
The period 43-45 can be very interesting (Operation Citadel, Bagration, etc.). What would have happened if Hitler had died in one of the many attempts on His Life? Decisions regarding the western front ...

I would buy even a DLC with the remake of Case Blue ... The Battle of Stalingrad is the scenario that I prefer.

I think that a unique "Barbarossa to Berin" with this type of game is not feasible.

[SeaMonkey]

I think from a beginning of an "Operation Sphinx" concept to "Torch" ending with a possible Sicily/Italian expansion would give a long, interesting Allied campaign experience for gamers. On the Axis side the Mideast to Caucasus/ "Operational Orient" would extend the Med scenario further.