USS. Harry S. Truman Fired On?

[Amoral]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

Straits of Dover is only 20 miles wide. Both British & French control it. Neither claim it (I don't think, I could be wrong, there are sure to be some sort of boundaries). I'm sure Warspite or someone from that part of the world could offer a better opinion, but picture the uproar if the Royal Navy had a live fire drill in there, let alone while the Kiev was transiting.

The Strait of Gibraltar is, what? 7-10 miles across? Who gets that?

The Straight of Juan de Fuca channel goes back & forth. between Canada & the U.S. Ships of all nations transit that, including China.

Again, not trying to start something. But by law, it is not theirs to 'claim' any more than the Arabian, or Persian Gulf, or the South China Sea.

International law grants the right for nations to claim territorial waters, even in straights.

Spain and Morocco get the straits of Gibraltar. Britain also has claims which are not fully recognized. There is an internationally agreed on exclusion zone that allows free passage of ships.

France and England get the straits of Dover.

Oman and Iran get the straights of Hormuz.

Ships pass through these straights under two international laws. The law of innocent passage, which applies to most non military vessels. And the Right of Transit which allows military vessels to pass through a straight if they are moving from one area of the high seas to another.

The right of transit does not exist everywhere, it is agreed on by convention and treaty. It exists in the straights of Dover and the straight of Hormuz. It does not exist in the Straight of Juan de Fuca. China could sail a cargo ship through the Straight of Juan de Fuca, and appeal to the UN if it was seized. But they do not have a recognized right to sail a destroyer through there. The destroyer does have a recognized right to transit the straights of Dover or Hormuz.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

In case you want to see it:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/m ... /78554342/

definitively unfriendly/ provocative and way too close to that transiting tanker

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58



On that I completely agree. This from someone who was there when a Soviet intel trawler--at the 3-mile-limit--tried to ram his boat. Innocent passage? Pashaw. They'd been there for days. A really ugly female cook too.

But how was her lasagna? How did you know how ugly she was or whether they had a female one? Did you score?

[geofflambert]

I believe the US has been very reasonable about this and protective of the rights of others. I don't think we give a rip if someone wants to transit through the Aleutians. I don't think the Straits of Malacca have been mentioned. Busiest seaway in the world. A friend of a friend went through there at least once as an aircraft carrier crewman, he said it was pretty scary. Blips everywhere.

[geofflambert]

I believe he was on CV-67 (or CVA-67), a CPO and at some point bunked underneath a catapult. If you can sleep there, you can sleep anywhere.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58



On that I completely agree. This from someone who was there when a Soviet intel trawler--at the 3-mile-limit--tried to ram his boat. Innocent passage? Pashaw. They'd been there for days. A really ugly female cook too.

But how was her lasagna? How did you know how ugly she was or whether they had a female one? Did you score?

Apply Occam's Razor.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58



On that I completely agree. This from someone who was there when a Soviet intel trawler--at the 3-mile-limit--tried to ram his boat. Innocent passage? Pashaw. They'd been there for days. A really ugly female cook too.

But how was her lasagna? How did you know how ugly she was or whether they had a female one? Did you score?

Apply Occam's Razor.

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I prefer Ockham. Dude was a Brit, not an Arab.

[geofflambert]

OK, I applied the Earl of Ockham's Razor and here are the answers: Who gives a crap? I have my ways. What sort of moose do you think I am?

[BBfanboy]

The Strait of Malacca has more piracy problems than anywhere else in the world. They may not fire big missiles but they mean business if you are not well defended.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I believe the US has been very reasonable about this and protective of the rights of others. I don't think we give a rip if someone wants to transit through the Aleutians. I don't think the Straits of Malacca have been mentioned. Busiest seaway in the world. A friend of a friend went through there at least once as an aircraft carrier crewman, he said it was pretty scary. Blips everywhere.

The Coast Guard is very active in the Aleutians though. It is a major fishing ground, and it has the worst weather in the world. So they are there to protect American fishing boats that get into trouble, but also to keep out Asian factory fishing ships that can destroy fishing grounds in short order.

As for bunking under the flight deck, my mother's cousin was an F9F pilot on the Oriskany in the Korean War. His bunk was under the aft end of the flight deck. His squadron didn't have to be up that early in the morning, but he said the F4Us would launch just before dawn and they didn't use the catapults, they would rev up and do a rolling take off from the stern end of the flight deck. He said getting back to sleep after that was pretty much impossible.

I have a friend who was a chief on the modern Juneau in the 1980s. (In 23 years it was the only time he actually went to sea, he was a land lubbing sailor.) He said the chief's quarters got so hot when they were in the tropics he would sleep on the catwalk above the wet deck which got a good breeze.

I've slept on trains a couple of times and in cars, but I think trying to sleep on a ship like that would be very difficult.

Bill

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The Strait of Malacca has more piracy problems than anywhere else in the world. They may not fire big missiles but they mean business if you are not well defended.

Wouldn't that be a nice mission for the USN to clean up....?

My contribution to "Narrow Seas".....the Dardanelles and Bosporus. And recently the Kerch Strait between the Azov/Black
Sea, a problem for Russia that Putin so elegantly "solved". How could he not when US/EC and NATO involved
themselves in the Ukrainian internal politics.

Looking at it coldly it is quite scary how the situation around the Russian borders are getting more and more like
what it was before WW2. And I can't say Putin is the one to blame. Just my opinion.

Fred

[reg113]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

As for bunking under the flight deck, my mother's cousin was an F9F pilot on the Oriskany in the Korean War. His bunk was under the aft end of the flight deck. His squadron didn't have to be up that early in the morning, but he said the F4Us would launch just before dawn and they didn't use the catapults, they would rev up and do a rolling take off from the stern end of the flight deck. He said getting back to sleep after that was pretty much impossible.

My rack on the Big "E" was under the blast deflector for the forward catapults. Yes, you can get used to anything. [:D]