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ORIGINAL: Footslogger
Yes Gentlemen, she was nearly hit.
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ORIGINAL: Footslogger
Yes Gentlemen, she was nearly hit.
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ORIGINAL: Leandros
Wonder if the USN warned Iran that they'd pass through the Strait?
ORIGINAL: Amoral
The US sails a carrier through the straits, and then calls Iran provocative when they conduct a test in their own territorial waters. That's pretty ballsy.
ORIGINAL: Amoral
The US sails a carrier through the straits, and then calls Iran provocative when they conduct a test in their own territorial waters. That's pretty ballsy.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Just because the United States doesn't recognize all of UNCLOS doesn't mean it's not a thing. We're basically the only major country in the world that isn't at least a signatory - and not because we don't recognize 12-miles for territorial waters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... of_the_Sea
In the 20th century, territorial waters claims expanded outwards from 3 nautical miles to 12. The Strait of Hormuz is jointly (and reasonably) claimed by Iran and Oman. The entire thing is made up of, in terms of international relations, the territorial waters of those two countries. Every time we sail through it we're sailing through somebody else's ocean.
A comparable situation would be if there was some kind of conflict in Canada, and somehow it made sense for, say, Russia to send its navy/aircraft carriers into the Canadian waters to get to Victoria or somewhere - but in doing so, they sailed through the Strait of Juan de Fuca, which is 10-18 miles wide and split between Canadian/US territorial waters. A person couldn't reasonably claim that the Strait of Juan de Fuca isn't made up of Canadian/American territory, right? I mean, that would be ridiculous.
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Just because the United States doesn't recognize all of UNCLOS doesn't mean it's not a thing. We're basically the only major country in the world that isn't at least a signatory - and not because we don't recognize 12-miles for territorial waters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... of_the_Sea
In the 20th century, territorial waters claims expanded outwards from 3 nautical miles to 12. The Strait of Hormuz is jointly (and reasonably) claimed by Iran and Oman. The entire thing is made up of, in terms of international relations, the territorial waters of those two countries. Every time we sail through it we're sailing through somebody else's ocean.
A comparable situation would be if there was some kind of conflict in Canada, and somehow it made sense for, say, Russia to send its navy/aircraft carriers into the Canadian waters to get to Victoria or somewhere - but in doing so, they sailed through the Strait of Juan de Fuca, which is 10-18 miles wide and split between Canadian/US territorial waters. A person couldn't reasonably claim that the Strait of Juan de Fuca isn't made up of Canadian/American territory, right? I mean, that would be ridiculous.
Even if we were a signatory, the Convention has rights of innocent passage for military vessels. The carrier was clearly exercising this passage right. The USN conducts innocent passage demonstrations all over the world every year to demonstrate our standing with this concept, even though we have not signed the UNCLS.
ORIGINAL: Lecivius
The straights are also 39 miles across at it's narrowest. At no point (that I am aware of) does the channel cross within the 12 mile limit of Iran. In fact, the only navigable channel that I am aware of that crosses completely within the 12 mile limit of another country is the Bosporus Straights.
Where else should we draw a line?
Straight of Juan de Fuca? - US or Canada?
English Channel? - British or French?
Staights of Gibraltar? - Spanish or Morocco?
Straights of Malacca? - Singhalese, Maylay, or Indonesia?
Skagerrak? - Denmark or Norway? (this may be a bad example)
Baltic Sea...6 of 1 and you pick em
There are many close waterways. The Chinese just came through US waters, and while some folks got excited, they were within their rights as well. How excited do you think they would have become if a C.G. Cutter had gone out & conducted live fire drills?
I could probably say more, but I gotta get on this conference call. Peace guys, not trying to pick a fight [;)]
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Right, innocent passage is fine. I'm not saying the USN did anything wrong at all. I just think these "articles" are spurious and intended purely to inspire outrage over something that adds up to diddly.
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
There seems to be a real cottage industry in the dim, dusty corners of the "press" dedicated to drumming up faux outrage among the low-data portion of the US population who get their foreign policy from Call of Duty games.