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it was decided that the warping of the steel from the fire after the magazine explosion made it not worth the effort.
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
If you really want this feature against the AI , you can select it on the editor.
AW1Steve is back!!!! He just couldn't resist while watching undercover and observing how my superior intellect was informing the other forumites.
ORIGINAL: Ian R
Interesting feature, but really you need to reduce the number of reinforcement ships in stock scenarios to match.
Having said that, I have always been, and remain, an adherent of the original Grigsby modelling of this, which goes all the way back to Pacwar v1.0 in 1992. If anything, the 500 odd days delay in WitP was too long, and GG should have retained the 34 week period from Pacwar (or perhaps something in between). I wrote a long post in another forum explaining why, pasted below.
Suffice to say that I think the label 'respawned' is childish, and deprecatory of what GG set out to do (very elegantly, IMHO) to model the US wartime system of accelerating, suspending, or cancelling more-than-adequate already funded building programmes as circumstances warranted. It was not a case of miraculously & instantaneously producing a slipway, and laying a keel, as one mis-informed poster on this forum once asserted in the course of criticising this game mechanism back in the original WitP days. The irony of this is that by disabling the GG replacement mechanism, and including all the war built ships as reinforcements - including those arriving on accelerated delivery dates - you may well, subject to losses, end up with an accelerated US building programme that exceeds the historical.
You guys do know that 11 of the 14 Essex class carriers operational during the war had already been voted by the US Congress into funded building plans (starting with CV9 in 1938), and contracted by September 1940, right?
ORIGINAL: Revthought
The turn around on repairing many of the ships was less than 2 months. Maryland and Tennessee were returned to active duty in February, the Pennsylvania returned to active service in April, and the Nevada in October. Most of the repair times on damaged ships seem to take much longer than this. Even relatively minor damage you're looking at, what seems anecdotally, around 120 days of repair time. I think the absolute best I've seen is 55 days for a Battleship with 13 flt damage after Pearl Harbor.
The ships that, historically speaking, were not back in service until 1944 were ships that were total losses, had to be re-floated and then completely rebuilt.
The Arizona was left in place only after serious consideration was given to re-floating and rebuilding her; but as I said earlier, ultimately, it was decided that the warping of the steel from the fire after the magazine explosion made it not worth the effort.
Instead she was scavenged for usable parts, and her turrets were lifted off. Her guns being used for shore batteries in Hawaii and the guns from Arizona's number 2 turret being used on Nevada during Nevada's 1944 refit. Those guns were later fired in anger at Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Again, I'd call that cosmic karma if I believed in such things.
... in reality the carriers named after early was losses were ships already under construction when the original was lost and were renamed on the slipway
ORIGINAL: blueatoll
What is the cut-off date for CAs/Cls in the USN/AUS/NZ navies being sunk and getting the II version automatically built in 1943-1944? I just had the Astoria sink in March 1942 and it's not showing up as a rebuild.
I've searched this forum and the e-book rules and can't find this information but I remember reading it somewhere.
Thanks in advance.
BA
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: blueatoll
What is the cut-off date for CAs/Cls in the USN/AUS/NZ navies being sunk and getting the II version automatically built in 1943-1944? I just had the Astoria sink in March 1942 and it's not showing up as a rebuild.
I've searched this forum and the e-book rules and can't find this information but I remember reading it somewhere.
Thanks in advance.
BA
None of the official scenarios have this feature on.
Alfred
ORIGINAL: Alfred
Very seasonal.[:)]
Alfred
ORIGINAL: wdolson
ORIGINAL: Revthought
The turn around on repairing many of the ships was less than 2 months. Maryland and Tennessee were returned to active duty in February, the Pennsylvania returned to active service in April, and the Nevada in October. Most of the repair times on damaged ships seem to take much longer than this. Even relatively minor damage you're looking at, what seems anecdotally, around 120 days of repair time. I think the absolute best I've seen is 55 days for a Battleship with 13 flt damage after Pearl Harbor.
The ships that, historically speaking, were not back in service until 1944 were ships that were total losses, had to be re-floated and then completely rebuilt.
The Arizona was left in place only after serious consideration was given to re-floating and rebuilding her; but as I said earlier, ultimately, it was decided that the warping of the steel from the fire after the magazine explosion made it not worth the effort.
Instead she was scavenged for usable parts, and her turrets were lifted off. Her guns being used for shore batteries in Hawaii and the guns from Arizona's number 2 turret being used on Nevada during Nevada's 1944 refit. Those guns were later fired in anger at Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Again, I'd call that cosmic karma if I believed in such things.
The battleships that were inboard of other BBs are Pearl Harbor were not severely damaged. One was so badly trapped they had to dynamite the dock to get her free, but the ship was only slightly damaged. Because the Navy needed as many ships as possible in action, those ships went back into service in a damaged state. Much of the damage from the attack was repaired when those ships were later upgraded in late 1942 or 1943. During Midway TF-1 was at sea halfway between San Francisco and Midway waiting in case they were needed. Several of the ships were survivors of the PH attack including damaged BBs that were operational.
The repair algorithms were written by someone who knew quite a bit about what it took to repair ships. The bigger the ship, the more difficult it is to repair damage, especially major damage. In many cases repair crews have to cut away damaged armor plate an other difficult work. If a ship is very badly damaged, the entire shape of the ship might be twisted and the ship needs to be straightened out before repair can begin.
Bill
ORIGINAL: wdolson
ORIGINAL: Revthought
The turn around on repairing many of the ships was less than 2 months. Maryland and Tennessee were returned to active duty in February, the Pennsylvania returned to active service in April, and the Nevada in October. Most of the repair times on damaged ships seem to take much longer than this. Even relatively minor damage you're looking at, what seems anecdotally, around 120 days of repair time. I think the absolute best I've seen is 55 days for a Battleship with 13 flt damage after Pearl Harbor.
The ships that, historically speaking, were not back in service until 1944 were ships that were total losses, had to be re-floated and then completely rebuilt.
The Arizona was left in place only after serious consideration was given to re-floating and rebuilding her; but as I said earlier, ultimately, it was decided that the warping of the steel from the fire after the magazine explosion made it not worth the effort.
Instead she was scavenged for usable parts, and her turrets were lifted off. Her guns being used for shore batteries in Hawaii and the guns from Arizona's number 2 turret being used on Nevada during Nevada's 1944 refit. Those guns were later fired in anger at Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Again, I'd call that cosmic karma if I believed in such things.
The battleships that were inboard of other BBs are Pearl Harbor were not severely damaged. One was so badly trapped they had to dynamite the dock to get her free, but the ship was only slightly damaged. Because the Navy needed as many ships as possible in action, those ships went back into service in a damaged state. Much of the damage from the attack was repaired when those ships were later upgraded in late 1942 or 1943. During Midway TF-1 was at sea halfway between San Francisco and Midway waiting in case they were needed. Several of the ships were survivors of the PH attack including damaged BBs that were operational.
The repair algorithms were written by someone who knew quite a bit about what it took to repair ships. The bigger the ship, the more difficult it is to repair damage, especially major damage. In many cases repair crews have to cut away damaged armor plate an other difficult work. If a ship is very badly damaged, the entire shape of the ship might be twisted and the ship needs to be straightened out before repair can begin.
Bill
programmer
Let me also stress, I am completely comfortable with the game as it is. It's a game! It requires abstractions; however, I will note Nevade was very badly damaged and returned to service in October. Pennsylvania was also pretty seriously damaged, but less so floatation wise. ORIGINAL: Revthought
ORIGINAL: wdolson
ORIGINAL: Revthought
The turn around on repairing many of the ships was less than 2 months. Maryland and Tennessee were returned to active duty in February, the Pennsylvania returned to active service in April, and the Nevada in October. Most of the repair times on damaged ships seem to take much longer than this. Even relatively minor damage you're looking at, what seems anecdotally, around 120 days of repair time. I think the absolute best I've seen is 55 days for a Battleship with 13 flt damage after Pearl Harbor.
The ships that, historically speaking, were not back in service until 1944 were ships that were total losses, had to be re-floated and then completely rebuilt.
The Arizona was left in place only after serious consideration was given to re-floating and rebuilding her; but as I said earlier, ultimately, it was decided that the warping of the steel from the fire after the magazine explosion made it not worth the effort.
Instead she was scavenged for usable parts, and her turrets were lifted off. Her guns being used for shore batteries in Hawaii and the guns from Arizona's number 2 turret being used on Nevada during Nevada's 1944 refit. Those guns were later fired in anger at Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Again, I'd call that cosmic karma if I believed in such things.
The battleships that were inboard of other BBs are Pearl Harbor were not severely damaged. One was so badly trapped they had to dynamite the dock to get her free, but the ship was only slightly damaged. Because the Navy needed as many ships as possible in action, those ships went back into service in a damaged state. Much of the damage from the attack was repaired when those ships were later upgraded in late 1942 or 1943. During Midway TF-1 was at sea halfway between San Francisco and Midway waiting in case they were needed. Several of the ships were survivors of the PH attack including damaged BBs that were operational.
The repair algorithms were written by someone who knew quite a bit about what it took to repair ships. The bigger the ship, the more difficult it is to repair damage, especially major damage. In many cases repair crews have to cut away damaged armor plate an other difficult work. If a ship is very badly damaged, the entire shape of the ship might be twisted and the ship needs to be straightened out before repair can begin.
Billprogrammer
Bill,
I think that's what I said!
And given what you said, if the goal of the game was more geared toward simulation I'd argue that it should be considerably more difficult to damage those inboard ships in-game. Similarly it should be nearly impossible to sink Pennsylvannia, since she was in drydock on Dec 7th.
