OT: Use of Captured Equipment

[Orm]

Thank you for all the awesome pictures. [&o]

[AW1Steve]

Of course my favorite bit of "captured equipment" is the USS Stewart. Shown here in her Japanese colors;

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

Some of them, IIRC it was Wake.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Leandros

The Germans converted specifically a party of Soviet KV-1's for the planned invasion of Malta.
Here's a picture of my Hobby Master 1/72 scale model of it - they installed a new turret cupola.
This is the actual camo pattern intended to be used in the operation:

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

[Eambar]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Doggie3

ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

ORIGINAL: Doggie3

ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

SU-85?

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Orm

You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

The only reason I know of that the Germans wouldn't use a T-34 was that it didn't have a radio and German tankers weren't trained to use flags to signal. Didn't take long for them to add a radio, though. The US sent the Russians a good number of M-4s and they liked them very much once they figured out their appropriate role. I've always wondered what difference it would have made if the US had shipped a lot of radios the Russians could have mounted in their tanks.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: rustysi

ORIGINAL: Doggie3




KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

SU-85?

A boy named SU-85?

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Orm

You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

The only reason I know of that the Germans wouldn't use a T-34 was that it didn't have a radio and German tankers weren't trained to use flags to signal. Didn't take long for them to add a radio, though. The US sent the Russians a good number of M-4s and they liked them very much once they figured out their appropriate role. I've always wondered what difference it would have made if the US had shipped a lot of radios the Russians could have mounted in their tanks.

The only thing the Russians had less of than radios were radio operators. Don't forget that very few radios in those days were actually voice. CW carried further ,worked better in a noisy environment and had far fewer misunderstandings. The Americans were the 1st to go to voice in general , but the Germans had dedicated radio operators who used CW. (Key transmitted like as in Morse).

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Orm


I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

The only reason I know of that the Germans wouldn't use a T-34 was that it didn't have a radio and German tankers weren't trained to use flags to signal. Didn't take long for them to add a radio, though. The US sent the Russians a good number of M-4s and they liked them very much once they figured out their appropriate role. I've always wondered what difference it would have made if the US had shipped a lot of radios the Russians could have mounted in their tanks.

The only thing the Russians had less of than radios were radio operators. Don't forget that very few radios in those days were actually voice. CW carried further ,worked better in a noisy environment and had far fewer misunderstandings. The Americans were the 1st to go to voice in general , but the Germans had dedicated radio operators who used CW. (Key transmitted like as in Morse).

Comrade Sasha, you now Radio Operator. Here is your medal. Good luck!

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

I meant the (commander) cupola - not the large turret. Was that a Soviet invention - on the
KV-II? I should, of course, have written - KV-II. Which is the version the Germans meant
to use in the Malta invasion.

Fred

[adarbrauner]

The cupola on top of your model is German (bin shape-type).

[Alpha77]

ORIGINAL: Leandros

ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

I meant the (commander) cupola - not the large turret. Was that a Soviet invention - on the
KV-II? I should, of course, have written - KV-II. Which is the version the Germans meant
to use in the Malta invasion.

Fred

Really I hear this the first time, do you have a source for this KV2 Malta plan ?
BTW, at first I thought it was a KV2 turret planted on a Pz3 or 4 chassis.... but then I noted that in fact the
front of KV looks a bit like Pz4 in reality never noted that before... strange...[>:][:)]

From this viewpoint not so much: But I guess one is fooled by the German cupola in your modell KV2..

KV1



Also SU85 was tank destroyer without turret, KV85 in fact the KV with the 85mm gun (with turret), there was also another KV1s which had less armor and was faster (and more reliable due to less weight) with 76mm. From KV85 only few were made, cause the JS1 came online by then.

[MakeeLearn]

A German tank named SU-85

[MakeeLearn]

"Japanese Use of Captured Allied Weapons in WW2" The musical,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEeDB0V3--o

[MakeeLearn]

a Chinese soldier after a shopping spree at "Japs r us"

[crsutton]

This is a great video to watch. T34 being pulled out of a bog in near perfect condition. Note the German markings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ-acc9Qsk

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This is a great video to watch. T34 being pulled out of a bog in near perfect condition. Note the German markings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ-acc9Qsk

Neat....GP

[adarbrauner]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This is a great video to watch. T34 being pulled out of a bog in near perfect condition. Note the German markings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ-acc9Qsk

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