Which units are winterized in MWIF?

[Joseignacio]

It would be worse after the fall of Leningrad, with 11 winterized units running freely on the map instead of 7/8 (or 2/3 if only MTN)...

But in Leningrad, ... first as always you need to discount the climate malus. Then it's a city and has 2 factories IIRW. Then, the usual attack (at least in WIF, MWIF is more flexible because there are not off-map boxes) includes the Finnish attacking from the lake, which means they are probably dying if the weather changes after an attack that leaves them disorganized or if the weather changes the next impuse even if they are organized but fail to take the city. The attack will be assault (city, defensor's choice), so you cannot blitz them out of the city, and any enemy loss that doesn't mean losing the city will be easlily replaced with a dirt cheap MIL next turn.

Maybe it's in my group and I am biased, but in WIF I have seen very often Leningrad resist till or even after Moscow has fallen, because of all this.

[paulderynck]

Land O-chit, engineers, HQ support, wintertime to half the Leningrad swamp defence, and all the winterized you can muster - hard enough already for Russia to hold let alone with every attacking unit besides the HQ and Eng being winterized.

[Joseignacio]

The swamp converted to forest was implicit. If not, Leningrad could resist forever. Even with it becoming forest because of snow it's unprobable enough IMO ... well, different experiences.

[paulderynck]

The point is that the less winterized units you have at your disposal, the less the swamp becoming forest matters.

[Joseignacio]

I know, but when you were listing "how easy" to take Leningrad you mentioned that there is no swamp in snow.

I was meaning that I took that for granted, because I still have to see Leningrad taken being an active swamp.

[joshuamnave]

Can someone explain why there is no winterized bonus in the attack?



Note: The soviets were given the option to lead the defense with winterized units which I accidentally declined. I was planning to manually subtract two from the die roll to compensate. But the Axis were not given the option. If it's +1 for every Finnish or Ski unit, there should be an additional +5 to the die roll. Am I misunderstanding the rule or is it a bug? Maybe because every unit attacking is winterized?

Also note: This was the surprise impulse. The Soviets weren't expecting a winter DOW and so both units in Leningrad are reserves that came in disorganized. Germany DOW'd and activated the Finnish planning to take advantage of the snow effects - the extra hex side and frozen swamp. It's a low odds attack that risks relatively little (worst case - 2 divisions and a Finnish infantry) for possible huge rewards.

[joshuamnave]

Ok, definite bug here. I reloaded and this time chose to defend with winterized units. Doing so made the die roll modifier +5 instead of +2, which means the game automatically gave the attacking bonus (and required losses to come from winterized when the attack failed). So the attacker was only given the bonus if the defender also got (and took) the bonus, and then the attacker wasn't given the option, it happened automatically (although that might be because there were only winterized units in play).

[Joseignacio]

Looks like that.

As for this:

Note: The soviets were given the option to lead the defense with winterized units which I accidentally declined. I was planning to manually subtract two from the die roll to compensate. But the Axis were not given the option. If it's +1 for every Finnish or Ski unit, there should be an additional +5 to the die roll. Am I misunderstanding the rule or is it a bug? Maybe because every unit attacking is winterized?

In fact the restriction goes the other way round, there is no limit to how many winterized units, but on how few:

If at least half of your attacking land units are MTN, ski troops (AsA option 65), Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, or white print Soviet units, you may lessen the odds reduction in snow or blizzard by 2 (i.e. snow has no effect and blizzard becomes a -1 odds shift).

Modifierd if you are using 2d10 CRT to +1 pero attacking winterized or -2 per defending winterized with no upper or lower limits.