Immortal leaders

[Billy Yank]

OK, here's a new data point from a campaign I'm playing.

I've got a mech infantry platoon, formation "G". G0 is led by 2Lt Edwards (0 kills). Unit G6 is a half track led by Sgt Peterson (3 kills). After a nasty artillery barrage (how did the Italians get a battleship into the middle of the desert anyway?), the G0 and G1 units were destroyed. The next Sgt on the list was Sgt Peterson, so unit G6 is now the command unit, with the little parenthesis around the + sign. So the battle ends, I fix all, upgrade a few units (but none in "G" platoon). Then go on to deploy for the next battle. I take a look at "G" and I find that brave Sgt Peterson has been promoted to 2Lt and is now the leader of the G0 Armored Infantry Squad. The problem? G6 is still the official command unit of the platoon and it's led by civilian Edwards.



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Billy Yank
I don't define "my own" the way you want me to.

[molset]

Greeting gentlemen
Having browsed through this thread on the immortal leaders its obvious that this must be a bug.
In my last battle I unfortunately lost the AO sqad a.k.a myself. I proceed and get the replacment. I get myself again albeit with reduced rank from col to a lt. I retained my 2 kills. Weird, there is more. In the same battle I also lost my ace killer (12 kills,including a jagdpanther, not bad for a M8 recon vehicle (just had to brag)), a certain lt Dunnigan. His replacement in the NO unit slot duly arrives with a different name and no kills. Since his whole recon section got whiped out I checked if lt Richards in unit N1 had also got his proper replacement. Richads was gone for shure but his replacemnt was civilian Dunningan with 12 kills. Strange. Definately. Less strange but still a Zombie case for me was when 2lt. Richards (a very competent bazoka man)returned after a heroic but still a definate death a battle or two before. He has now become a captain with a impressive 10 kill toll (including 1 jagdpanther (in his second life) and 1 Tiger(in his first life). However glad I am to have me and my boys back, its a bland feeling. They are after all dead, done and deserve a rest. This takes the sting out of a campaign, and dilutes the bragging. After all, the dead guys are a bit less credible when they enter the honorary rostrum of the matrix order when they have had multiple chances on life.
Regards
Molset
"Jakki er ekki frakki nema sidur se"

[Hortlund]

I just wanted to ask if there are any updates on this bug?

Can it be fixed?

Steve

[Billy Yank]

Now here's something wierd and I don't know if it's related or not. In my campaign, I wanted to get a look at the enemy forces after a battle (to help write the AAR). I opened the "turn 0" save with Chlanda's editor and started looking down the list. I noticed that the ranks in the enemy forces are seriously messed up. There are platoons in there led by a Sergeant with two subordinate leaders with no rank and another of his subordinates led by a Major! This pattern appears throughout the list. I'd estimate about 50% of the formations have "rankless" leaders and/or have high ranking officers taking orders from enlisted men. This happened in 4 battles in a US long campaign. The enemy were French, Italian and German.


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Billy Yank
I don't define "my own" the way you want me to.

[john g]

Originally posted by molset:
Greeting gentlemen
Having browsed through this thread on the immortal leaders its obvious that this must be a bug.
In my last battle I unfortunately lost the AO sqad a.k.a myself. I proceed and get the replacment. I get myself again albeit with reduced rank from col to a lt. I retained my 2 kills. Weird, there is more. In the same battle I also lost my ace killer (12 kills,including a jagdpanther, not bad for a M8 recon vehicle (just had to brag)), a certain lt Dunnigan. His replacement in the NO unit slot duly arrives with a different name and no kills. Since his whole recon section got whiped out I checked if lt Richards in unit N1 had also got his proper replacement. Richads was gone for shure but his replacemnt was civilian Dunningan with 12 kills. Strange. Definately. Less strange but still a Zombie case for me was when 2lt. Richards (a very competent bazoka man)returned after a heroic but still a definate death a battle or two before. He has now become a captain with a impressive 10 kill toll (including 1 jagdpanther (in his second life) and 1 Tiger(in his first life). However glad I am to have me and my boys back, its a bland feeling. They are after all dead, done and deserve a rest. This takes the sting out of a campaign, and dilutes the bragging. After all, the dead guys are a bit less credible when they enter the honorary rostrum of the matrix order when they have had multiple chances on life.
Regards
Molset
"Jakki er ekki frakki nema sidur se"

Do the kills stay with the leader or the unit? I know when I looked at my units in my wwii campaign under v2.3 and v4.0-4.2 the kills would go away when the unit was wiped out. Though that seldom happened (Top gun was a unit that started in PII and ended in PVIb with 51 kills), as far as the question raised about one unit being the ?0 and another in the platoon being the () unit, there are different times that a leader takes effect, it could be that sometimes the platoon ?0 is checked and other times the temp leader with the (). As an associated question, how many people add a squad to the battalion A0 and the company ?0 units? I did this late in my campaingn and though the A0 never got killed (and never got any kills) it did have the other unit there to take over if needed.
thanks, John.



[This message has been edited by john g (edited November 14, 2000).]

[Billy Yank]

Originally posted by john g:
Do the kills stay with the leader or the unit? I know when I looked at my units in my wwii campaign under v2.3 and v4.0-4.2 the kills would go away when the unit was wiped out. Though that seldom happened (Top gun was a unit that started in PII and ended in PVIb with 51 kills), as far as the question raised about one unit being the ?0 and another in the platoon being the () unit, there are different times that a leader takes effect, it could be that sometimes the platoon ?0 is checked and other times the temp leader with the (). As an associated question, how many people add a squad to the battalion A0 and the company ?0 units? I did this late in my campaingn and though the A0 never got killed (and never got any kills) it did have the other unit there to take over if needed.
thanks, John.

The kills most definately stay with the leader. In the case I cited above, the Sergeant from unit G6 was promoted to Lieutenant and moved to the G0 unit along with his 3 kills.

I always give my Battalion and Company CO's an executive officer. (See my old thread titled "Fun with Chlanda's Editor".)


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Billy Yank
I don't define "my own" the way you want me to.