Destroying Soviet formations in First winter?

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
So why do German Regiments seem to inflict substantial more losses than German Divisions in like situations?

Smaller units (brigade and smaller) get +1 initiative modifier to leader rolls (affect firefight, and reserve activation). Large units (corps) get -1 initiative modifier to leader rolls.

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
So why do German Regiments seem to inflict substantial more losses than German Divisions in like situations?

Maybe the battle algorithm take into account the relative ratio of both side before giving up ?

When attacking a division, the soviet troops receive overwhelming firepower and give up early with little damage ?
When attack a regiment, the soviet troops keep trying more time before giving up, and so take more casualties ?

(And of course in both case, soviet troops missed all their shoot).

Ps :
Ho just saw the Morvael answer. OK. [;)]

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I'm doing this in my current game with Mild Blizzard. I had over 200+ attacks in my turn. Had 30,000+ German attrition losses and almost 30,000 casualties. I'm hoping for many more casualties for turn 27 from these attaks, we shall see.

A small question. You do not fear to raise the morale of the enemy with so many attacks ?
Maybe there is something i'am missing, but with so many victories the enemy divisions could quickly reached 99 ?

I'am currently wondering if causing damage but raising morale of the enemy worth it.

99 morale ennemy divisions are very nasty.

Yes, he's killing his morale and manpower (and maybe some leaders who are sacked and/or executed because of loss counts), while vastly improving enemy morale (and his leaders win numbers which help them stay in charge) only to burn German manpower pool (and equipment pools to a degree) at higher rate. Manpower is the single most important factor for Germany, so this may be a good strategy. Or it may be very bad strategy, if Germans will make proper use of morale advantage.

[Stelteck]

As morale is not really morale but more "strategic organisation and manpower qualities&shape + battle efficiency doctrine", i'am wondering if it is a good thing to ever allow the increase of morale after a battle.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I'm doing this in my current game with Mild Blizzard. I had over 200+ attacks in my turn. Had 30,000+ German attrition losses and almost 30,000 casualties. I'm hoping for many more casualties for turn 27 from these attaks, we shall see.

A small question. You do not fear to raise the morale of the enemy with so many attacks ?
Maybe there is something i'am missing, but with so many victories the enemy divisions could quickly reached 99 ?

I'am currently wondering if causing damage but raising morale of the enemy worth it.

99 morale ennemy divisions are very nasty.

Yes, he's killing his morale and manpower (and maybe some leaders who are sacked and/or executed because of loss counts), while vastly improving enemy morale (and his leaders win numbers which help them stay in charge) only to burn German manpower pool (and equipment pools to a degree) at higher rate. Manpower is the single most important factor for Germany, so this may be a good strategy. Or it may be very bad strategy, if Germans will make proper use of morale advantage.

If you handle the soak off attacks with attaks that win & coupled with the Blizzard it works out.

[EwaldvonKleist]

ORIGINAL: morvael

I think new tactical bombers may be shown as utility aircraft if someone plays scenario with new data but old exe. I really must add a mechanism to block this, even for minor version increase.

Please don't do this. If you play server game and have agreed to a special game version, and one side inadvertely saves a server game under a newer version, you cannot go back to the older version both opponents agreed on, because the system block this.

[morvael]

Sorry, I must do this. Running new data with old code is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention an opportunity to cheat, if that cheat is possible to execute during your own turn or during enemy's logistics phase.

edit: Keep a collection of old exes to load and play the game without altering version number. Upgrading to new version should always be one way affair.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
If you handle the soak off attacks with attaks that win & coupled with the Blizzard it works out.

Then I'd create special Kamikaze Armies with bad leaders (who cares if they will be executed or sacked), not to hurt the stats of good leaders. [:)] But they will all still have to be attached to STAVKA, so the man at the top will still be blamed for their results.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
If you handle the soak off attacks with attaks that win & coupled with the Blizzard it works out.

Then I'd create special Kamikaze Armies with bad leaders (who cares if they will be executed or sacked), not to hurt the stats of good leaders. [:)] But they will all still have to be attached to STAVKA, so the man at the top will still be blamed for their results.

German manpower loses >>>> than Soviet leader loses imo.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

As morale is not really morale but more "strategic organisation and manpower qualities&shape + battle efficiency doctrine", i'am wondering if it is a good thing to ever allow the increase of morale after a battle.

No, national morale is "strategic organisation and manpower qualities&shape + battle efficiency doctrine".
Unit morale is also including current attitude of the men in the unit (that's why it can deviate from national morale, but it's becoming harder the farther you're away), and that's why it's affected by events like battles.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
German manpower loses >>>> than Soviet leader loses imo.

I'd still like to keep my best Soviet leaders in fighting shape.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


Also, nice to see 1,200 aircraft flying and nobody gets hurt. lol.

Please confirm which version of the game you're using, and what is the game version of scenario file.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
So why do German Regiments seem to inflict substantial more losses than German Divisions in like situations?

Smaller units (brigade and smaller) get +1 initiative modifier to leader rolls (affect firefight, and reserve activation). Large units (corps) get -1 initiative modifier to leader rolls.

That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

[M60A3TTS]

I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

It was in the game forever, we even made it more Soviet friendly by removing penalty from Soviet tank and mechanised corps, as they were division sized units.

I guess Soviet players do not use economy of force and are thus penalised by the combat multipliers. But bonus higher rate of fire of German regiments make them expend ammo faster.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

It was in the game forever, we even made it more Soviet friendly by removing penalty from Soviet tank and mechanised corps, as they were division sized units.

I guess Soviet players do not use economy of force and are thus penalised by the combat multipliers. But bonus higher rate of fire of German regiments make them expend ammo faster.

Perfect! Found my antidote for these little suxxors

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

Will message Morvael as suggested

[morvael]

Thanks, I will work on this tomorrow.