The Great Betrayal!

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RE: The Great Betrayal!

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Fatigue is hard to eliminate, thus every little bit you can add to a German unit's fatigue, the better! Most importantly the Germans only have so many turns, anything to delay or hold a German Unit back..

I would disagree here. As a newbie German fanboy, I might say Fatigue in this game is pretty easy to recover. It can be a simple matter of not using all the MP's and parking not next to the enemy recovers plenty. What will soon run out is fuel especially for the South. The supply lines will stretch. Counting the hexes to supply for every panzer division and fronting up or making them travel through God forsaken countryside of swamps will put more pressure on supplies (and fuel)

Well that is exactly my point, to recover fatigue one has to not use the unit, thus they are left behind, and that is one turn less that the Panzer divisions don't attack and don't take ground. Soviets can refit a lot of men in one turn, and build more entrenchments.

My comments about fatigue had to do with pocketed units; if they are going to die, how does one make sure their sacrifice helps the cause of the defense? Further if the Germans are trying to go for Moscow via the north, there are few hexes that would allow supply to be drawn through easily, plugging these up with forts and entrenchments is a must, therefore a delay of a couple panzer divisions to recover fatigue, is perfect for tightening up these few spots.

A responsible German player, would not allow themselves to drive so deep as to risk having no supplies, and would be wary of sending Panzers into swamp and or forest. Further, one cannot guarantee that the German player is going to take their Panzers into formidable terrain. (that is why it is important to read your opponent and assess what kind of player they are; wreckless? or tenacious?).

Early in the game getting to Leningrad fast is important if you want to take it. What undermines the Germans when they go for Leningrad? Supplies? Or fatigue? Any Soviet player would love the Germans to sit back and do nothing in the Leningrad area for a turn to recover fatigue.

You can get your surrounded units to attack, and if you are very lucky they might injure someone.

Or, supply tends to run on a West/East Axis so if you can extend your pocket North/South to lengthen the supply path for the spearheads
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RE: The Great Betrayal!

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Start of German turn 2. Pocket was reopened, i could have made it tighter. My opponent has already deducted i have sent some panzers elsewhere. Most units will be rebagged, but their support will have escaped.

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Start of German turn 2 south. Pocket was broken as expected, will reseal it tighter this tun.

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Start of German turn 2 north. Paradrops are allowed, so i will try to encircle any paras found to minimize the havoc my opponent is planning.
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Start of German turn 2 south. Pocket was broken as expected, will reseal it tighter this tun.

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Hmmmmmm, I'm interested in seeing how you handle this in the South.
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In answer to Hardluck's question; this is how he did it. Pockets can often look real impressive, if you do not know the Cv's of the units! Breaking out and pocketing (if you want to call it that) of the German Panzers, was merely just messing with his supply and LOC, because I could and most of the units were headed to the farm/POW Camp anyway!

It had the desired effect, in that he could not smash open the line and breakthrough, and gave me a turn to gather units together and form some semblance of a line. As I see it, the Germans are one turn behind now. We are using historical weather; thus Two turns down, and if he wishes to entrench before mud, he needs a minimum of two turns, that's 18-5=13 turns left for the Germans to complete their objectives. Time flies when you take a Joyride to Moscow![:D]

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In answer to Hardluck's question; this is how he did it. Pockets can often look real impressive, if you do not know the Cv's of the units! Breaking out and pocketing (if you want to call it that) of the German Panzers, was merely just messing with his supply and LOC, because I could and most of the units were headed to the farm/POW Camp anyway!

It had the desired effect, in that he could not smash open the line and breakthrough, and gave me a turn to gather units together and form some semblance of a line. As I see it, the Germans are one turn behind now. We are using historical weather; thus Two turns down, and if he wishes to entrench before mud, he needs a minimum of two turns, that's 18-5=13 turns left for the Germans to complete their objectives. Time flies when you take a Joyride to Moscow![:D]

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Are you using one of those old Soviet satellites with a defective camera lens that is always fuzzy? Or is it just my old eyes? :-) hehehehehehehehe

Interesting. So all German tanks look to be committed to the front line & look to have effectively delayed the German advance.
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Fuzzy? I do one better, I don't use a lens! It is most likely bc I prtSc then paste into MS paint; so you can thank the Capitalists at MS. I hear they are in collusion with the Professional Ophthalmologist Associations of the USA; Regional Office address is "725 5th Ave, New York, NY 10022, USA" (google it)!

I suspect only half the armour he had had sufficient supply to reform into divisions, the other armour probably was used to kill off the units I used to cut his supply line.

I had hoped to delay him, but it seems his armour spent most movement hunting down lumpen-proletariat soviets in possession of German Jerry Cans!!!

(Picture John Cleese and another Monty Python member arguing over the Jerry Cans)

HALT!!!!HALT!!!!! Das Jerry Can ist deutschland!!! Looken at zie vord, "deutschland", und seen zie Swastica? Swastica ist deutschland, Jerry Can ist deutschland! Zie verstern comrade?

Vibitchter comrade Nazi, but when we saw the swastika, we thought they were left here by our Indian comrades. The Swastika is Indian after all. You need to be more original when it comes to thinking up symbols, you don't want people accusing you Nazis of cultural appropriation now do you? We thought we would just give them back to our proletariat brothers in India, that's all. You do have a receipt don't you, to prove the Jerry cans are yours?

Ahh,... sorry I don't, they did not issue receipts when we were preparing to invade your country, it was a mad dash you know, from Greece to Poland, I am sure you can imagine, just how rushed we were? Any time we had was focused on getting ammunition, bombs, guns, bullets, that sort of thing, reading up on the Third Reich's policies for war and treatment of Soviet prisoners, just another variation on the whole Rape, Kill, Pillage, Burn sort of thing! One would think it does not change much, til you really get into the analysis of it all.


And on that note, perhaps its time for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0
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Fuzzy? I do one better, I don't use a lens! It is most likely bc I prtSc then paste into MS paint; so you can thank the Capitalists at MS. I hear they are in collusion with the Professional Ophthalmologist Associations of the USA; Regional Office address is "725 5th Ave, New York, NY 10022, USA" (google it)!

I suspect only half the armour he had had sufficient supply to reform into divisions, the other armour probably was used to kill off the units I used to cut his supply line.

I had hoped to delay him, but it seems his armour spent most movement hunting down lumpen-proletariat soviets in possession of German Jerry Cans!!!

(Picture John Cleese and another Monty Python member arguing over the Jerry Cans)

HALT!!!!HALT!!!!! Das Jerry Can ist deutschland!!! Looken at zie vord, "deutschland", und seen zie Swastica? Swastica ist deutschland, Jerry Can ist deutschland! Zie verstern comrade?

Vibitchter comrade Nazi, but when we saw the swastika, we thought they were left here by our Indian comrades. The Swastika is Indian after all. You need to be more original when it comes to thinking up symbols, you don't want people accusing you Nazis of cultural appropriation now do you? We thought we would just give them back to our proletariat brothers in India, that's all. You do have a receipt don't you, to prove the Jerry cans are yours?

Ahh,... sorry I don't, they did not issue receipts when we were preparing to invade your country, it was a mad dash you know, from Greece to Poland, I am sure you can imagine, just how rushed we were? Any time we had was focused on getting ammunition, bombs, guns, bullets, that sort of thing, reading up on the Third Reich's policies for war and treatment of Soviet prisoners, just another variation on the whole Rape, Kill, Pillage, Burn sort of thing! One would think it does not change much, til you really get into the analysis of it all.


And on that note, perhaps its time for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

Supply on 2nd turn is fine for Germans even when Surrounded in the 1st turn. The Germans start with a nice stockpile.
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Fuzzy? I do one better, I don't use a lens! It is most likely bc I prtSc then paste into MS paint; so you can thank the Capitalists at MS. I hear they are in collusion with the Professional Ophthalmologist Associations of the USA; Regional Office address is "725 5th Ave, New York, NY 10022, USA" (google it)!


Try the "snipping tool" in Microsoft. It is a great deal better than the "prntscrn" function which is sooooooo 1980's ;-P.

- So open snipping tool
- click "new"
- square off what you want to capture on the screen
- save to a location you want to save it making sure to save the file as a .jpg file
- post to forum
- easy as that "PRESTO"

***** the only caveat is that you may need to alter the size of the snapshot if you are playing at a high resolution. To alter the size of the picture after you save it in the snipping too you can open the file with "paint" and resize. enjoy
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Supply on 2nd turn is fine for Germans even when Surrounded in the 1st turn. The Germans start with a nice stockpile.


Really? Then why were all those Nazis running around harassing the villagers, trying to get those Jerry Cans back? (jeez, kind of anal of them is it?)
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Supply on 2nd turn is fine for Germans even when Surrounded in the 1st turn. The Germans start with a nice stockpile.


Really? Then why were all those Nazis running around harassing the villagers, trying to get those Jerry Cans back? (jeez, kind of anal of them is it?)

Well the SS aren't on the front line but the rumors have it they were rounding up all non Aryan races for something they were calling "re-settlement" and special treatment.
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Well the SS aren't on the front line but the rumors have it they were rounding up all non Aryan races for something they were calling "re-settlement" and special treatment.


Kind of like a lottery? If you find a German Jerry Can, you win a free trip with some blue eyed, blonde haired Aryan, I suppose! Don't think the babushkas would have liked that, they are quite protective of their womanly virtues! "I no go with Nazi Bastard to Germany! You liking me? you wanting me? You take me vacation in Krim!" [:-]

Never heard of snipping tool. I have windows 7 still.
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Well the SS aren't on the front line but the rumors have it they were rounding up all non Aryan races for something they were calling "re-settlement" and special treatment.


Kind of like a lottery? If you find a German Jerry Can, you win a free trip with some blue eyed, blonde haired Aryan, I suppose! Don't think the babushkas would have liked that, they are quite protective of their womanly virtues! "I no go with Nazi Bastard to Germany! You liking me? you wanting me? You take me vacation in Krim!" [:-]

Never heard of snipping tool. I have windows 7 still.

Windows 7 has the snipping tool too. go to your start menu and do a search on "snipping tool". WHAAALA!!! there it is. enjoy

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And the glorious Soviet soldiers fight fearlessly in the pockets north of Pripet marshes, and around Lviv!

And Lviv, and Minsk hold out, thanks to the glorious leadership of the Soviet Republic!

Couple places vee backing up, just little beet; Great Soviet Leader concerned maybe to far for vodka run for soldiers! Not vanting to vaste benzine!

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And glorious hold out in Lviv! (Those Ukrainians, they not vanting Russian Army there, and they not vanting Nazi Army there also! Like they say in USSR, you can please some comrades, preferably with vodka, sometimes, but there is never enough vodka to please Ukrainians!)

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My opponent did not seem to break through in his second turn. I have not been able to cut his supply again, so am expecting a hard hit, since all his armour is right at the front line. Still attempting to utilize the Stalin line where I can in the south.

Central area, the moral of the troops is excellent knowing that Minks still has not fallen. The Comrades in Minsk are sacrificing themselves, to allow the Western Front the time to dig in and prepare themselves for the defense of Smolensk and Grandpa Dnipro!

In addition, everybody is happy to be away from those mosquito infested marshes. We would have given them to the Germans if they had asked, never really wanted them, but they came with the package, what can ya do?

On a final note, it was discussed by the central executive, that if the Germans want Leningrad, and they are crazy enough to try to take it, vee vill gieve it to dhem, dhey can have it; there really isn't anything up there, except a few angry Finns! (Vee have a party up there in vinter of 1940, and they did not like the noise! Have never forgiven us!)
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My Opponent has asked that I post his screen shots; he seems shy to give any comments etc., it seems.
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German Turn 3 Centre
(there does not seem to be any recon done yet. I have not abandoned our Glorious comrade soldiers in Minsk! We air dropped them some Vodka, and told them to sit tight!

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