Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor closed indefinitely

[ushakov]

ORIGINAL: solops
Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere.

That's the Mikasa - Togo's flagship at the battle of Tsushima - a museum ship open to the public at Yokosuka. The only remaining pre-dreadnought, as far as I know. I'm pretty sure only the US has any dreadnought/modern battleships preserved, although the UK has a WW2-era CA, HMS Belfast.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: wdolson


My sister is a Geologist. She's 10 years older and I lived with her part time when I was in high school and college. I picked up a lot from dinner time conversation.

I've also done some reading since. Geologic history is fascinating. There are lots of Geologic events I wouldn't want to witness, but they must have been awesome. The biggest flood in the entire Geologic record came right through my neighborhood. A wall of water 1500 ft (500 m) high.

That's a pile of water, but bigger than the draining of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea - that some think is the Biblical Flood that wiped out everything in the Middle East.

The Missoula flood during the last ice age. There was a giant lake extending from Eastern Washington back well into Montana that had a big ice dam holding it back. One day the ice dam failed. The Willamette Valley in Oregon flooded all the way to Eugene and the waterfalls in the Columbia Gorge were created when the lower parts of the valleys the rivers flowed through were sliced off. There are places in the Gorge where rocks from the Rockies have been found 1000 ft up.

During the same ice age, the Straits of Gibraltar was a land bridge and the Med dried up into a small salt lake. As the waters in the Atlantic rose at the end of the last ice age, a giant waterfall went through the straits until the Med refilled.

I have also heard speculation that the biblical parting of the Red Sea was actually the Reed Sea, the Hebrew word for "red" and "reed" are similar (according to a history teacher many years ago). The Reed Sea was on the Sinai Peninsula and dried up as North Africa dried. The Red Sea is very deep and if drained, it would take a couple of days to cross, whereas the Reed Sea was very shallow. The history teacher who taught us about the possibility thought it may have been due to a volcanic eruption on one of the islands in the Med.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Iceland is another hot spot volcano.

I'm no geologist, but I thought Iceland was on top of the North American and European plates, which are moving away from one another. Thus the split down the center of the land mass. My daughter had the opportunity to dive that split. She told me, dry suit or not it was damned cold. Not to mention that on her first attempt her regulator failed. That girl gives me more gray hair than I need. Guess its my fault, I brought her up to be adventurous. She now has a son. That should slow her down a bit![:D]

About 335 million years ago there was only one continent, Pangea and there was one ocean, the Pacific. Then the continent broke apart and a new ocean formed between the new continents. The biggest split was between North America, Eurasia, and Africa. The Atlas Mountains in North Africa are the same mountains as the Appalachia in the US.

We have a continent splitting today the same way Pangea broke up. East Africa has a rift valley forming as part of the continent is cleaving off.

Iceland straddles the mid-Atlantic ridge which is a chain of volcanoes that runs from Antarctica to the Arctic. Since the discovery of the mid-Atlantic ridge it's been a bit of a mystery why it breaks the surface at Iceland. Nobody can say 100%, but there is a theory that the Siberian Traps volcano (I had the term wrong before) and Iceland are the same hot spot, but it's not 100% certain. The Siberian Traps were about 250 million years ago and as the super continent broke up, North America and Eurasia didn't finish breaking apart until about 65 million years go. As Eurasia broke away from North America, the hot spot may have joined up with the rift in the middle of the Atlantic, extending it further north.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: solops

ORIGINAL: wdolson


There is a battleship still afloat (the Missouri) and the Pacific Aviation Museum

There is also the USS Texas at the San Jacinto battleground park, located roughly between Houston and Galveston. It is, I believe, the last remaining example of dreadnought (pre-modern) battleship construction. This is not too far from NASA. When I was a kid you could go all over NASA. Now it is pretty restricted. Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere. And I think the WWII Alabama is still in Mobile.

I was talking about a floating battleship in Hawaii specifically. There are a number of BB museum ships, though the Texas is definitely the oldest US one afloat. In the US all but the Texas are fast BBs and the 4 Iowas.

Bill

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: wdolson


My sister is a Geologist. She's 10 years older and I lived with her part time when I was in high school and college. I picked up a lot from dinner time conversation.

I've also done some reading since. Geologic history is fascinating. There are lots of Geologic events I wouldn't want to witness, but they must have been awesome. The biggest flood in the entire Geologic record came right through my neighborhood. A wall of water 1500 ft (500 m) high.

That's a pile of water, but bigger than the draining of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea - that some think is the Biblical Flood that wiped out everything in the Middle East.

The Missoula flood during the last ice age. There was a giant lake extending from Eastern Washington back well into Montana that had a big ice dam holding it back. One day the ice dam failed. The Willamette Valley in Oregon flooded all the way to Eugene and the waterfalls in the Columbia Gorge were created when the lower parts of the valleys the rivers flowed through were sliced off. There are places in the Gorge where rocks from the Rockies have been found 1000 ft up.

During the same ice age, the Straits of Gibraltar was a land bridge and the Med dried up into a small salt lake. As the waters in the Atlantic rose at the end of the last ice age, a giant waterfall went through the straits until the Med refilled.

I have also heard speculation that the biblical parting of the Red Sea was actually the Reed Sea, the Hebrew word for "red" and "reed" are similar (according to a history teacher many years ago). The Reed Sea was on the Sinai Peninsula and dried up as North Africa dried. The Red Sea is very deep and if drained, it would take a couple of days to cross, whereas the Reed Sea was very shallow. The history teacher who taught us about the possibility thought it may have been due to a volcanic eruption on one of the islands in the Med.

I saw one documentary that noted a shelf of shallow water near the southern end of the Red Sea, extending across it, that could have been exposed with a fall in sea level, or a short-term uplift of the sea bed. Not sure if they had to dredge a channel for modern deep draft vessels.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: solops


There is also the USS Texas at the San Jacinto battleground park, located roughly between Houston and Galveston. It is, I believe, the last remaining example of dreadnought (pre-modern) battleship construction. This is not too far from NASA. When I was a kid you could go all over NASA. Now it is pretty restricted. Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere. And I think the WWII Alabama is still in Mobile.

Don't forget the BC Yavuz (sp?) in the Bosporus (Turkey). Former German BC Goeben, given to Turkey for siding with the Central Powers in WWI.

Was it broken up after it was decommissioned in 1970?

Ah, you are correct - Wiki says in 1973. Would have cool to have such old iron around ....

[rustysi]

though the Texas is definitely the oldest US one afloat.

If not already, soon not to be afloat. She's rusted out so bad that they had to 'dry berth' her in a new project in order to preserve what's left.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

though the Texas is definitely the oldest US one afloat.

If not already, soon not to be afloat. She's rusted out so bad that they had to 'dry berth' her in a new project in order to preserve what's left.

The Olympia also has rust issues. [:(]

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: rustysi

though the Texas is definitely the oldest US one afloat.

If not already, soon not to be afloat. She's rusted out so bad that they had to 'dry berth' her in a new project in order to preserve what's left.

The Olympia also has rust issues. [:(]

And she's a bit older too.