May 1940 USSR DOW in MP??

[KorutZelva]

Diplo is balanced. Wolf criers are just people bad at it (ie monitoring diplo activity and budgeting for it). [:'(]

[PvtBenjamin]

KZ did you read my post. It is impossible to defend against as Allies.

[Taxman66]

Bill it severely hurts the UK.
You can read my current AAR with IrishGuards for this exact situation.

As the allied player I did not intend on a heavy USSR diplo game, but was forced into it to match Axis spending. The UK is hurting badly from it and, sadly to admit, my poor (limited) build choice reaction to it. The Axis player delayed Tech investment, and heavily built units early. This combined with a surprisingly mild 1939/1940 fall-winter-spring meant Germany hurting France early and often and led to an early conquest which in turn is leading to a relatively easy Sea Lion. Again, admitidly enhanced by my mistake(s).

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

KZ did you read my post. It is impossible to defend against as Allies.

All I saw was that you were 2 chits short with the French, and are 2 chits short with the brits. Which is kind of my point.

The Allies have the chits advantage while Italy is inactive, they can go on the offensive in that department. I've demonstrated it before. USSR doesn't tank all the way to 0% if you max your chits to meet a diplo challenge appropriately. Even at France fall the gap is just 3 chits. At 15% chance, provided you didn't let it collapse in the interval, the USSR cash flow will not be irremediably damaged. Once the turn +% increases start, its costly for the Axis to contain it. (Re: AAR KZ vs taxman in trying to diplo the US out of the war)

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Hi everyone

I'd be very interested to hear more about this game where the Allies have invested heavily in the USSR.

How much, and what effect has this had on Britain and France's military defences? Can the UK now afford to defend itself against Sea Lion or to defend Egypt? Will France fall sooner?

Thanks

Bill

Be sure to check out my AAR vs Sugar where I did just that. I went uber Diplo and still had enough resource to go in the offensive in NA. The Isle was (mostly) stripped bare but that was a cost I was willing to pay to increase USSR readiness/challenge Axis position in NA.

[PvtBenjamin]

My opponent did't spend 1750 on the first turn. I matched him and when France fell he increased diplo at which point I can't counter, sure I could have increased the Brits and had no defense. If you think its in the spirit of the game that the Brits spend 875 and French 525 on USSR diplo prior to 6/40 so be it.

How do you defend France when you spend 525 on diplo by the way, you dont.

Guys who lose to Axis in '43 shouldn't have such bravado.

[PvtBenjamin]

ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Hi everyone

I'd be very interested to hear more about this game where the Allies have invested heavily in the USSR.

How much, and what effect has this had on Britain and France's military defences? Can the UK now afford to defend itself against Sea Lion or to defend Egypt? Will France fall sooner?

Thanks

Bill

Be sure to check out my AAR vs Sugar where I did just that. I went uber Diplo and still had enough resource to go in the offensive in NA. The Isle was (mostly) stripped bare but that was a cost I was willing to pay to increase USSR readiness/challenge Axis position in NA.

Bill also notice he lost in 1943.

[Taxman66]

Just as bad is the fact that the Axis can force uber diplo as much as the Allies can.

It will delay German investment in either Tech or units, but it will cripple the UK in both.

As I said before it's also has a heavy roulette factor. Whoever invests first gets a turn ar the chance wheel without a counter balance from the opposing side. With Plunder Germany can invest in more chits in a single turn than the UK can match. France can match/play too but the price is devistating to her defences and in the end only temporary.

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

My opponent did't spend 1750 on the first turn. I matched him and when France fell he increased diplo at which point I can't counter, sure I could have increased the Brits and had no defense. If you think its in the spirit of the game that the Brits spend 875 and French 525 on USSR diplo prior to 6/40 so be it.

How do you defend France when you spend 525 on diplo by the way, you dont.

Guys who lose to Axis in '43 shouldn't have such bravado.

That's still 2 chits in France not spent (sell your planes if you have to) and two chits from the UK you didn't spend as late as June 1941 after the Axis plan was evident. (It's even more evident now you can see it's 175mp of diplospending and can't mistake it with 3 chits in Spain for example.) You have to accept you are just bad at it, mate. No need to overhaul the game. [;)]

The spirit of the game is flexibility to act out history in new ways. Most strategies leaves you weak in another aspects which your opponent can use to its advantage. If you're sticking to your guns and don't adapt, you lose. That's it.

If you need an example on how to respond to it, start a game. I'll play allies and show you firsthand. We can make an AAR out of it. [:D]

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Hi everyone

I'd be very interested to hear more about this game where the Allies have invested heavily in the USSR.

How much, and what effect has this had on Britain and France's military defences? Can the UK now afford to defend itself against Sea Lion or to defend Egypt? Will France fall sooner?

Thanks

Bill

Be sure to check out my AAR vs Sugar where I did just that. I went uber Diplo and still had enough resource to go in the offensive in NA. The Isle was (mostly) stripped bare but that was a cost I was willing to pay to increase USSR readiness/challenge Axis position in NA.

Bill also notice he lost in 1943.

Heh. Vs anyone not named Sugar that game is won easily by the Allies. Still took him to one turn short of 1945. That record will likely stick a while. [;)]

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: Taxman66

Just as bad is the fact that the Axis can force uber diplo as much as the Allies can.

It will delay German investment in either Tech or units, but it will cripple the UK in both.

As I said before it's also has a heavy roulette factor. Whoever invests first gets a turn ar the chance wheel without a counter balance from the opposing side. With Plunder Germany can invest in more chits in a single turn than the UK can match. France can match/play too but the price is devistating to her defences and in the end only temporary.

France is only temporary anyway. [;)] For better or worst, they made Sealion relatively easy and relatively not crippling. The consequence of that is that you don't have to invest as much in UK's defense than what people usually do. This overspending (that people assume is mandatory*) can give the impression that the UK is hopelessly poor and incapable.

*Useless upgrade of UK fleet would also fall in this category but some players can't help themselves.

[Sugar]

To be fair, you also lost against HarryBanana, and I didn't entice Franco allthough I could.

The jackpot is a 30% hit at USSR, hehe. It`s a viable strategy for underdogs, but I never tried as Axis.

[PvtBenjamin]

The game was over in '43 (he controlled all of Africa & USSR) you barely put a scratch on him. Its fine he's a great player but don't get all full of yourself it wasn't that great of a defense.


You were the one starting the trash talking like it takes some genius to swap chits. You really aren't as smart as you think you are. If you think spending thousands on major diplo is fun great I think it trivializes the game.

In my case I am winning handily and why would I spend 2 additional French chits when he hadn't. After France falls he has a year of advantage I can't match.

I have no interest in playing another game of diplo war, if you would like to limit major country diplo to 1 chit per country I'll take the Allies what do you say. I bet I can do better than you did against Sugar.

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: Sugar

To be fair, you also lost against HarryBanana, and I didn't entice Franco allthough I could.

The jackpot is a 30% hit at USSR, hehe. It`s a viable strategy for underdogs, but I never tried as Axis.

Yeah, at my second PBEM game playing vs an experienced player. And he almost gave up. [;)]

The 'jackpot' was achieved was when you got outmanoeuvred because you had invested in Spain and went for the USSR. [;)]

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

The game was over in '43 (he controlled all of Africa & USSR) you barely put a scratch on him. Its fine he's a great player but don't get all full of yourself it wasn't that great of a defense.


You were the one starting the trash talking like it takes some genius to swap chits. You really aren't as smart as you think you are. If you think spending thousands on major diplo is fun great I think it trivializes the game.

In my case I am winning handily and why would I spend 2 additional French chits when he hadn't. After France falls he has a year of advantage I can't match.

I have no interest in playing another game of diplo war, if you would like to limit major country diplo to 1 chit per country I'll take the Allies what do you say. I bet I can do better than you did against Sugar.

You state its impossible to defend against it. I state it's possible. I offer to show you. You chicken out.

What I am missing here?

Each time you fail at something you assume the game is at fault. [:D] Doesn't take a genius to Diplo right, I am amazed how many people 'insist' at being bad at it though. [;)]

[PvtBenjamin]

I have no interest in playing another game of diplo war, if you would like to limit major country diplo to 1 chit per country I'll take the Allies what do you say. I bet I can do better than you did against Sugar.

My challenge stands

Chicken really? Haven't heard that since high school which was a very long time ago.

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

I have no interest in playing another game of diplo war, if you would like to limit major country diplo to 1 chit per country I'll take the Allies what do you say. I bet I can do better than you did against Sugar.

Let me type slower for you.

Your statement is that its impossible to stop in the base game without chickenshitty house rule. I state it's possible to stop without chickenshitty house rule.

Hey why you mind the diplowar so much if won't be on the receiving end of it? If it's impossible to stop as you say it is, that's an easy meal of crow to dish out isn't not? Why are you quaking in your boots? Let's test it out for Bill's benefit. Best way to convince him. [:D]

[PvtBenjamin]

I was just thinking if I took the Allies I could show you the correct way to play the game (without spending a fortune on diplo) so you don't get slapped silly for the entire community to see in the next AAR.

I have no interest in another game that spends thousands on Major Diplo. Its a shortcoming of the game that should be changed.

[PvtBenjamin]

KZ

In the future if you disagree with a suggestion just state why supported by facts. The personal attacks questioning a persons intellect, game playing ability and courage are of a person of poor character.

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

I was just thinking if I took the Allies I could show you the correct way to play the game (without spending a fortune on diplo) so you don't get slapped silly for the entire community to see in the next AAR.

I have no interest in another game that spends thousands on Major Diplo. Its a shortcoming of the game that should be changed.

I'm sorry, can you translate that? I'm not fluent in chicken. [:'(]

It might comes as a surprise but if you believe a thing really hard, it doesn't make it true. If your answer of a diverging opinion is 'Didn't you read what I said? It's impossible end of story' Well sorry to break this to you mate: You ain't considered a grand SC3 expert, there's people out there that can do the things you can't or refuse to learn to do. You might counter saying 'well you ain't either'. Perhaps? But I'm at least I'm offering to collect empirical evidence to settle the matter.

If the aggravation of facing someone has a strategy that exposes that cracks in yours is too much your ego, you can learn to counter it or go back to playing the AI. Or lose and cry a river and lobby to change the game to your particular playstyle I guess.