New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm the Gates

[Gunner98]

Didn't work but the Germans were impressed

LOL I love it - very British. End of sentence … momentarily!

[TheOriginalOverlord]

I found this comment about the peder skram frigates in my combat ships 1990-91 book

Won't help the Germans...but the Danes may find it useful.

[Gunner98]

Nice - thanks. The shore Btys are already in play but the SAMs for the naval bases are not. Will add, thanks.

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[Vulcan607]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Didn't work but the Germans were impressed

LOL I love it - very British. End of sentence … momentarily!

The Germans pretended it worked and tricked the harriers (the migs actually lost the dogfight scenario earlier), they then gave the Harrier pilots some advise one, he wasn't vertical enough, and two the Serbian pilots are very skilled don't underestimate them.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Escape-Zone ... 0751531022 it's a very good read

[Gunner98]

it's a very good read

Thanks - I'll do that! BTW Vulcan607 and Phoenix Squadron are great books as well.

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[ZoroastroBR]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

PN79 - Good point on the MiG-29UBs, thanks.

ZorozstroBR. I'll take your points in order:

Patriots - I'm going with as historical OOBs as I can find and the Danes in particular didn't have Patriots. It’s an interesting dilemma of the 1994 setting, a real transition of technology: Phantoms vs Flankers when they were designed for to fight Foxbat’s and Floggers, AMRAAMs are on line but you still have Sparrows, Aim-9 all aspect when you have stocks of rear aspect.

Gulfstreams - I can adjust the timing on that. How close were they to taking off? When I tested it they were OK but then I shit-canned some Sov deep strikes and reinforced the strikes on the first echelon of ABs.

I'll dig around for some low level SAMs. The Germans had some more but the Danes were pretty thin on the ground.

The scenario may well be too overpowered. We'll see how several more folks do. I did OK in testing but then adjusted a bunch of stuff so may have tipped it over the edge.

The SAR script is great. The basic script was created by angster and it is really good but I messed it up and TyphoonFr helped me sort it out and added in the messages, which made it fantastic. I don't think you should know how long you have, it’s an uncontrolled situation and you need to react or lose the crew. Any helicopter or boat arriving very close to the marker at below 150knts will do the job. Ideally there would be a correlation between SAR equipped helicopters and others, as well as crew size. A Sea King in the SAR role for instance could pick up the entire crew from three ASW MPA aircraft, but an Alouette III- not so much. At this point that is well beyond my ability with Lua, perhaps someone could figure it out, but I just don't have the knowledge, skill or inclination. Its representative and pretty cool at that.

For ship rescue, that is very possible I suppose. If you like that sort of thing, go to Northern Fury #3 Dagger to the Heart, and see how it was done in the 'old days' before Lua. Lots of ship rescue work in that one.

Glad you liked it.

I don't quite remember how much time there was left for the Gulfstreams to be ready to fly, but I lost them 2 to 3 minutes after I got the message that they needed to survive. And even at that point they weren't going to get out as there were 50 enemy planes over that AB lol...

[Schr75]

Hi Gunner98

Just diving into this, and I noticed that you have just called the Danish SSM batteries, SSM Bty #1 and 2.
The Danish Harpoon batteries were part of MOBA or MObile BAse, which was a support organization for the Danish missile and torpedo boat forces.

I propose to call them MOBA SSM #1 and 2, or just MOBA #1 and 2.

I know this is nitpicking, but you have all the AF squadron and naval unit names correct, so I thought I´d mention this[:)]

As a side note, I was part of the honour guard celebrating the departing Danish chief of defense and the addition of the MOBA SSM batteries into the Danish naval inventory.

Søren

[Gunner98]

Not nitpicking at all - will fix.

How long ago did you leave the Danish military? I had some Vikings working for me at ARRC HQ and worked with 1st Danish Div on several occasions.

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[TheOriginalOverlord]

RE: German phantoms...

According to this
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_43.html

The F-4F ICE was getting sparrows and AMRAAM capability from the 80s and 90s

If that is accurate that would be a big help

[Gunner98]

Yeah that is sort of corroborated by this: http://www.airvectors.net/avf4_3.html#m2


Did a quick search for missile sales and acording to the attached Germany purchaced 96 AMRAAMs in 91 for completed delivery between 95 & 98.


Considering everywhere else I'm using AMRAAMs and the assumption that development and production went better than it did historicaly, these can be in place. Won't take long to burn through, since there is another full wing of ICE (37th in the south with 48 AC), I could probably alot 36 to this scenario. With all the other demands on production, I don't think this would be increased very much.

Not much but it will give the players some interesting delemas - do I save them for the Su-27s or use the flood of Mig-23s...

[Vulcan607]

Just downloaded it will play it later though I did have a look at the map. If you need new units just nick them from wargame red dragon[:D] (incidentally my user name is the same there as it is here) strela 10m and shilka's would be good for dealing with low flying aircraft along with the gepard. MI24 would also add a useful asset though I am just guessing the majority of east german gear was kept what with an aggressive Soviet union which would add a huge amount of gear

[ZoroastroBR]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Yeah that is sort of corroborated by this: http://www.airvectors.net/avf4_3.html#m2


Did a quick search for missile sales and acording to the attached Germany purchaced 96 AMRAAMs in 91 for completed delivery between 95 & 98.


Considering everywhere else I'm using AMRAAMs and the assumption that development and production went better than it did historicaly, these can be in place. Won't take long to burn through, since there is another full wing of ICE (37th in the south with 48 AC), I could probably alot 36 to this scenario. With all the other demands on production, I don't think this would be increased very much.

Not much but it will give the players some interesting delemas - do I save them for the Su-27s or use the flood of Mig-23s...

Ah man, thought this was the updated version of the scenario...

Don't mean to rush you, but do you have an ETA for version 1.1? [:D]
[:D][:D][:D]

[Gunner98]

Working on it now. Tomorrow perhaps?

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[RSMC]

Played the first 2 hours - what a bloodbath. Sidewinders vs. Alamos lets NATO cull the strike packages, but very few aircraft get home. Also, SAR helos are not survivable. Per Zoroastro's comment - the Danish forward bases get pounded, Russians sending more aircraft than defending missiles. My gulfstreams survived - not sure how, so I at least got the first one away safely.

I glitch found - the arrival of sidewinders at Skrysdrup fired twice.

One suggestion - since NATO knows this will be a knife fight in a phone booth - wouldn't the ready fighters have heavy rather than light missile loads? Those extra 2 sidewinders per F-16 would make some difference.

As always - magnificent work.

[Gunner98]

OK

V1.1 with many minor tweaks to make things more survivable from the NATO side:

-More Roland and AAA on the German bases
-Sea Sparrows, AAA and MANPADS on the Danish bases
-The mods for the Mig-29s and the F-4 ICE discussed earlier - 48 AMRAAMs for the Phantoms but am quite ready to drop that down if its too many.
-Changed up most of the F-16s to Heavy, not all
-Some name changes
-advanced the time on the gulfstream mission.

There is an issue in the SBR file wrt the Land based Sea Sparrow units - curious if they will actually engage targets.

Did anyone else have the double firing of the Ammo resupply?

Thanks

[TheOriginalOverlord]

Leck AB- You have a mix of ALQ-101 and 119 DECM pods.... used in different loadouts...not enough for every A/C which means some planes will only be on Recon missions (119 pod) those with the 101 pods can carry bombs. Just checking to see if that was intentional.


Just checking!

[Gunner98]

Intentional [8D]

[Vulcan607]

That's a lot of ships and aircraft coming in I find myself wishing for a pair of SSN's and an aegis cruiser! Also its a shame about the east German gear it would make life easier especially the SU22s and koni class frigates with mines.

Oh not everything east german got binned though here's a pic of a Soviet jammer pod on a phantom.
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?i ... front_ajpg

[Gunner98]

I am not certain that NATO was (or is?) interested in posting an SSN into those shallow waters, that's what all those U-Boats are for. An aegis cruiser would be nice but they're busy[8D]

You may see those Koni class Frigates yet, but not they way you're thinking. The Su-22s (60 of them) will make an apearance - in Med Fury 4 or 5 - when you go after Syria.


That's a cool photo. I'm wondering if it was a standard fit or experimental? Perhaps pop it into the DB request thread as a loadout, would be interesting to compair the two. If there is a DB loadout for them I'll include some for sure.


Thanks.


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[Vulcan607]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

I am not certain that NATO was (or is?) interested in posting an SSN into those shallow waters, that's what all those U-Boats are for. An aegis cruiser would be nice but they're busy[8D]

You may see those Koni class Frigates yet, but not they way you're thinking. The Su-22s (60 of them) will make an apearance - in Med Fury 4 or 5 - when you go after Syria.


That's a cool photo. I'm wondering if it was a standard fit or experimental? Perhaps pop it into the DB request thread as a loadout, would be interesting to compair the two. If there is a DB loadout for them I'll include some for sure.


Thanks.


B

Oh Syria I am assuming this will be mainly from Israel's perspective, but I have to ask will the RAF phantoms at Akatori get in on the fight?

Oh and you might like this video RAF phantoms escort mig 29s and SU17s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkJR9UVPsDk