Lightening in a Bottle durnedwolf(J) VS DOCUP(A) (Closed to DOCUP)

[durnedwolf]

In Northern Borneo I capture Beaufort and Brunie. Both invasion forces have cruiser attachments and air cover supplied by CVLs in an Air combat TF further from shore.

In China near Taiyuan two Japanese divisions, a mixed brigade, and an artillery unit push back the Chinese 6th Group Army, routing them into a quick retreat.

In Malaya the 56th INF Rgt. Has finally caught up with the 8th Indian Brigade and 3rd ISF Base Force that retreated from Kota Bharu. I've been harassing the enemy units with aircraft to slow them down. The 56th will attack again on the 14th in an effort to "keep their tails tucked under 'em."

Lotsa movement everywhere this early in the game.

Down near Shortland I had a mini-disaster that cost me the I/66th Naval Guard. Joe ran a CL and a few destroyers over to the Solomon Islands to tap an invasion task force I had down there. For some reason the TF could not do the amphibious assault at Shortland… I was screwing around for 2-3 turns trying to figure out how to get them to unload their troops and Joe caught me. I should have just pulled everything back or immediately assigned them a new target but I went into "problem-solving" mode and forgot that I was at war and that Joe might-could want to hit them while most of my carrier forces have been plying the waters further north near Guan, the PI, and the South China Sea…


Here's a pic of the Solomons as I enter moves for the 14th.

[durnedwolf]

- The I-156 sighted a TF with an xAP and several xAK near Koggala @ 31,51 under escort. My WAG is that Joe is trying to run LCU to Rangoon…

- I sent the BB Kii to bombard Wenchow. I was surprised at the fires…

Night Naval bombardment of Wenchow at 89,58

Japanese Ships
BB Kii

Light Industry hits 1
Manpower hits 2
Fires 2798
Runway hits 6
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for BB Kii
BB Kii firing at Wenchow

- Joe sent a pair of BC east of Moluccas and they fell upon one of my smaller German ACTF sporting a CVE with a BC and CB plus a few DD as escort. They combined to produce sparks.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Morotai at 82,102, Range 22,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BC Derfflinger, Shell hits 11, on fire
CB Moltke, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Paul Jokbi
DD Herman Shoemann, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
DD Bruno Henimann
CVE Weser
DD Sp 2, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Wolfgang Zenker, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
BC Gouden Leeuw, Shell hits 6
DD Volta
BC Strasbourg, Shell hits 4
DD Mameluck, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Le Casque, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Le Hardi
DD Bison II, Shell hits 2, heavy fires

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 22,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 22,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages CVE Weser at 22,000 yards
CB Moltke engages DD Mameluck at 22,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Herman Shoemann at 22,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 16,000 yards
DD Bison II engages DD Paul Jokbi at 16,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 16,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Le Casque at 16,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Mameluck at 16,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Paul Jokbi at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages CVE Weser at 12,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 12,000 yards
DD Bison II engages DD Paul Jokbi at 12,000 yards
DD Sp 2 engages DD Mameluck at 12,000 yards
DD Wolfgang Zenker engages DD Mameluck at 12,000 yards
DD Volta engages DD Paul Jokbi at 12,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Le Casque at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
BC Strasbourg engages BC Derfflinger at 8,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 8,000 yards
Massive explosion on CB Moltke
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 8,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Le Hardi at 8,000 yards
DD Sp 2 sunk by DD Le Casque at 8,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Mameluck at 8,000 yards
DD Le Hardi engages DD Paul Jokbi at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BC Strasbourg engages CB Moltke at 12,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 12,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Strasbourg at 12,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 12,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Le Casque at 12,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Herman Shoemann at 12,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Mameluck at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Strasbourg at 14,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages CB Moltke at 14,000 yards
DD Bison II engages DD Paul Jokbi at 14,000 yards
BC Strasbourg engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Bruno Henimann engages DD Le Casque at 14,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Le Casque at 14,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Le Hardi at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages CVE Weser at 16,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 16,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 16,000 yards
DD Le Hardi engages DD Bruno Henimann at 16,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages DD Bruno Henimann at 16,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Bison II at 16,000 yards
DD Volta engages DD Bruno Henimann at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 17,000 yards
CB Moltke engages DD Bison II at 17,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Le Hardi at 17,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 17,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Le Hardi at 17,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Strasbourg at 18,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 18,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Bison II at 18,000 yards
DD Le Hardi engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 18,000 yards
DD Le Casque engages DD Paul Jokbi at 18,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Herman Shoemann at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages CVE Weser at 19,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 19,000 yards
CB Moltke engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 19,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Le Hardi at 19,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Bruno Henimann at 19,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Mameluck at 19,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Volta at 19,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Strasbourg at 19,000 yards
BC Derfflinger engages BC Gouden Leeuw at 19,000 yards
CB Moltke engages DD Bison II at 19,000 yards
DD Wolfgang Zenker engages DD Le Hardi at 19,000 yards
DD Bruno Henimann engages DD Le Casque at 19,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Herman Shoemann at 19,000 yards
DD Herman Shoemann engages DD Volta at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 20,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages BC Derfflinger at 20,000 yards
DD Bison II engages DD Paul Jokbi at 20,000 yards
DD Bruno Henimann engages DD Le Hardi at 20,000 yards
DD Paul Jokbi engages DD Le Casque at 20,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Paul Jokbi at 20,000 yards
DD Mameluck engages DD Paul Jokbi at 20,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages CB Moltke at 22,000 yards
CB Moltke engages DD Bison II at 22,000 yards
DD Wolfgang Zenker engages DD Mameluck at 22,000 yards
Maki M. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 30,000 yards
BC Strasbourg engages BC Derfflinger at 30,000 yards
DD Bison II engages CVE Weser at 30,000 yards
BC Gouden Leeuw engages DD Wolfgang Zenker at 30,000 yards
Task forces break off…

- Later in the day the CVE Weser got of a flight of Ju 87c that dropped eggs on the DD Le Hardi, sinking it.

- I attacked the AF @ kwangchowan thinking Joe was running some of his flying tigers out of there. No flying Tigers but I got good hits on the AF.

- I sent Sallys at Victoria Point to attack his ground unit there.

- At Guam I'm still spanking the AF - but this is just to insure he can't build up his forts. I'm still damaging/destroying a few allied AC on the ground but Joe has not been flying anything from the AF. I call them low-hanging fruit.

- I got my first attack in at Hong Kong, dropping the fort level from III to II. The defense has a plus for Terrain and negatives for leaders and experience. Japan had no modifiers. I'd note that I've been flying transports to my units attacking Hong Kong and, while I'm not seeing much of an increase in the supply levels for the entire gaggle of LCU I have in combat operations at Hong Kong, I didn't have to rest for a turn to get my supplies back up. The 38th Division plus the support elements will have another go at it on the morrow.

- In the PI I attacked empty Teguegarao and flipped the base. San Fernando was also occupied.

[durnedwolf]

16DEC41 Results
○ Abemama is occupied. Sibolga, undefended, is captured by Japanese troops. Hong Kong fort level drops to 1. At Hong Kong I'm letting my troops rest a turn.

○ I hit the allied troops @ Victoria Port and Hong Kong again.

○ Joes sends a few Flying Tigers @ Chiang Mai. They are repulsed with zero losses.

○ Near Rangoon a flight of Lily hit the CL Caledon with a 100 kg SAP. There was a fire. Wow.

○ Sibolga fell to the IT Indp Tank Bn. 35 to 1 odds. There were no defenders… So there was actually a chance that Sibolga could have held against my tanks? Things that make me go hmmm.

[durnedwolf]

Peek Follows:

[durnedwolf]

17DEC41
○ I lost the DD Chen-yuen erh to a mine when I did a bombardment of Hong Kong.

○ The SS Macelle put a torpedo into the CL Ceres. I rolled a magazine explosion and then later heard sinking sounds.

○ I had Bettys and Nells hit Singapore from Saigon. They were set for Naval Attack and went in w/o escort. Not a good scene. My range was too long on those bombers.

○ I'll have another go at Hong Kong per orders for the 18th.

○ I spent most of my order phase in China this turn. My nickname for China is click-bait.

○ xAK Uzan Maru arrives at Yokohama/Yokosuka

○ 300. Squadriglia Au arrives at Tokyo

○ 77th Sentai Det A arrives at Chiang Mai

○ 77th Sentai Det A sub-groups COMBINING at Chiang Mai

○ 99.Gruppo C.T. arrives at Tokyo

○ 31st Aceh Fighter arrives at Tokyo

○ 36th JNAF AF Unit arrives at Tokyo

○ CL Ceres is reported to have been sunk near Oosthaven on Dec 17, 1941

○ DD Oreleck is reported to have been sunk near Guam on Dec 09, 1941

○ AO Trinity is reported to have been sunk near Guam on Dec 14, 1941

[durnedwolf]

Hi everyone,

Just an update that we seem to have hit a hickup with naval ships being produced. Merchant shipping comes on to the table without problems but the naval ships just sit in the queue... DOCUP is trying to find a solution.

[durnedwolf]

We are still plugging along while Joe tries to work out the problem with the naval ships. They seem to collect at 1 day until being completed but never make it to deployment. All the merchant ships are arriving w/o problems - it's just the naval ships.

25DEC41
- I'm using Kuantan as a bombing run to build up pilot experience

- At Guam I've raised my altitude to 15k. I still see some damage to my bombers but no losses.

- In China I've been trying to shut down Kukong AF. Joe is defending with H81-A3 plus Hawks and Buffaloes. I've got a lot of escort but those Flying Tigers are a royal pain.

- In Sumatra I'm continuing to push down towards Palembang from the north. Near Sibolga my 7th Aceh Div catches the A-IV Ld AA afd unit on the road. It surrenders after an extremely one-sided combat experience.

- In Malaya divisions have arrived and are making it to the front. The bases ahead of me keep flipping as they are undefended by the allies. Joe looks to be pulling back to Singapore.

- Takao expands port to size 5
- Chumphon expands fortifications to size 2
- xAK Kimnon Maru arrives at Amoy
- xAK Sana Maru arrives at Shanghai

- Combat Events for 12/26/41
4th Sentai sub-groups COMBINING at Vigan
8th Sentai sub-groups COMBINING at Aparri
Foong Bin 80 sub-groups COMBINING at Chiang Mai
Foong Bin 81 sub-groups COMBINING at Rahaeng

[durnedwolf]

• 2Do:
Send supplies to PI

• 26DEC41

Aparri Base P1 AF2 F0 - Expand Facilities
Notes:
26DEC41 - P1.62 AF 3.33 F0
I transferred the 14th Sentai (Sally-IIa) from Pescadores to Vigan. I have a fragment @ Pescadores.
I transferred the 8th Sentai (Ki-48-Ib) from Pescadores to Vigan. I have a fragment @ Pescadores.
21st Air Flotilla HQ @ Takao, Formosa is loading upon TF142 for transport to Vigan.
7th Tank Rgt., 47th & 48th AA Bn units @ Pescadores are loading upon TF111 for transport to Aparri

Vigan Base P1 AF2 F0 - Expand facilities
Notes:
26DEC41 - I'm expanding the port and AF
30th JNAF AF unit (9AV)
42nd Field Const. Co. ()

16th Div (462AV) @ San Fernando is moving to Lingayen

Capture Cabanatuan 80,76
Notes:
26DEC41 - no enemy units reported
7th Div. (389AV) @ Aparri is moving to Bayombong, just north of Cabanatuan.
3rd Engineer Rgt (9AV) @ Aparri is moving to Bayombong
21st Engineer Rgt (9AV) @ Aparri is moving to Bayombong

Rebuild the 48th Division
Notes:
26DEC41 - All units are @ Aparri except for the 48th Engineer Rgt which is at Pescadores.
48th Engineer Rgt @ Pescadores is loading upon TF88 for transport to Aparri.

Rebuild 2nd Formosa INF Rgt @ Aparri
Kanno and Tanaka units arrive @ Aparri and have finished unloading (26DEC41). They've rejoined into the 2nd Formosa INF Rgt (126AV).

Rebuild the 16th Div @ San Fernando
With the 33rd INF Rgt formed all units are now in place and set to Combat. They've rejioned to form the 16th Div. (462AV)

Rebuild the 33rd INF Rgt @ San Fernando
Kimura Det and Miura Det from Babeldaob have arrived and been unloaded @ San Fernando (26DEC41). They've rejoined to form the 33rd INF Rgt (126AV)

Capture Bayonbong
- Notes: Bayombong Flips

Capture Lingayen
- Notes: Lingayen Flips

Capture Tugeugarao
- Notes: Tuguegarao Flips

[durnedwolf]

We could not get Japanese naval ships to move from the ship yards to the game. All of the merchant ships were produced w/o problem but the naval ships would peculate down to day 1 and then just hang there. Very frustrating.

I just finished a computer VS computer test with updated files from Joe and it looks like the naval ship problem has been worked out. We'll be doing another restart.

[Bif1961]

I didn't know the cyber Japanese had ship builders unions.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

We could not get Japanese naval ships to move from the ship yards to the game. All of the merchant ships were produced w/o problem but the naval ships would peculate down to day 1 and then just hang there. Very frustrating.

I just finished a computer VS computer test with updated files from Joe and it looks like the naval ship problem has been worked out. We'll be doing another restart.

Did you check your ship reinforcement queue in the Intel Report? The ships might finish in the shipyard and go to the arrivals queue for a delay while the galley is stocked and the newbie crew learns where everything is.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

We could not get Japanese naval ships to move from the ship yards to the game. All of the merchant ships were produced w/o problem but the naval ships would peculate down to day 1 and then just hang there. Very frustrating.

I just finished a computer VS computer test with updated files from Joe and it looks like the naval ship problem has been worked out. We'll be doing another restart.

Did you check your ship reinforcement queue in the Intel Report? The ships might finish in the shipyard and go to the arrivals queue for a delay while the galley is stocked and the newbie crew learns where everything is.

Yup. On 30DEC41 I had a CB and three DD that were stacked up with an ETA of 1 day. the CB was sitting on ETA 1 from about the 10th of December. The DDs hit Day 1 the 15th and the 18th. All xAK, xAKL, TK, etc. deployed to their arrival locations on time. It was only warships that seemed to be stuck at ETA 1.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

We could not get Japanese naval ships to move from the ship yards to the game. All of the merchant ships were produced w/o problem but the naval ships would peculate down to day 1 and then just hang there. Very frustrating.

I just finished a computer VS computer test with updated files from Joe and it looks like the naval ship problem has been worked out. We'll be doing another restart.

Did you check your ship reinforcement queue in the Intel Report? The ships might finish in the shipyard and go to the arrivals queue for a delay while the galley is stocked and the newbie crew learns where everything is.

Yup. On 30DEC41 I had a CB and three DD that were stacked up with an ETA of 1 day. the CB was sitting on ETA 1 from about the 10th of December. The DDs hit Day 1 the 15th and the 18th. All xAK, xAKL, TK, etc. deployed to their arrival locations on time. It was only warships that seemed to be stuck at ETA 1.

I haven't played around much with Japanese industry, but I did learn that when I ran out of HI points lots of stuff stopped progressing. If you have a lot of army units filling out their ranks and pilots training that could use up big chunks of HI. Only suggestion I have. You might get more responses from more knowledgeable players by putting the question in the main page of this forum rather than in your AAR.

[821Bobo]

From the tracker and industry view it looks like you have zero navy points and lacking 700 points daily. Stop producing(or stop accelerating ) some ships to get in positive numbers.

[Alfred]

This is a classic case of a mod that doesn't understand the production system and a greedy Japanese player who is not prepared to prioritise, instead wanting everything.
 
Read the manual.
 
1.  Merchantmen use up different points than do warships.
 
2.  There is no pool of the required inputs being generated because every turn what is produced is consumed meeting the various demands.  In short, supply is far less than what is required to meet demand.
 
Either reduce demand for the inputs or increase supply of the inputs.
 
Alfred 

[RangerJoe]

I actually agree with Alfred. In other words, don't be greedy but be selective.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

This is a classic case of a mod that doesn't understand the production system and a greedy Japanese player who is not prepared to prioritise, instead wanting everything.

Read the manual.

1.  Merchantmen use up different points than do warships.

2.  There is no pool of the required inputs being generated because every turn what is produced is consumed meeting the various demands.  In short, supply is far less than what is required to meet demand.

Either reduce demand for the inputs or increase supply of the inputs.

Alfred 

Hi Alfred,

<laughter> - I saw the 0 points for naval and thought it was a problem with the mod. I did shut production down on a lot of naval shipping - primarily a bunch of subs and a couple of BB that come in late 1944 to see if that had an impact but I saw no results.

It's good feedback though, to give back to Joe, as it's his mod.

Just a thought though that you could work on your caustic dialog. I know for myself this game still has aspects that are a learning process. And I'd say the same probably applies for Joe. You don't have to try to put others down just to feel better about yourself. [:)]

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy




Did you check your ship reinforcement queue in the Intel Report? The ships might finish in the shipyard and go to the arrivals queue for a delay while the galley is stocked and the newbie crew learns where everything is.

Yup. On 30DEC41 I had a CB and three DD that were stacked up with an ETA of 1 day. the CB was sitting on ETA 1 from about the 10th of December. The DDs hit Day 1 the 15th and the 18th. All xAK, xAKL, TK, etc. deployed to their arrival locations on time. It was only warships that seemed to be stuck at ETA 1.

I haven't played around much with Japanese industry, but I did learn that when I ran out of HI points lots of stuff stopped progressing. If you have a lot of army units filling out their ranks and pilots training that could use up big chunks of HI. Only suggestion I have. You might get more responses from more knowledgeable players by putting the question in the main page of this forum rather than in your AAR.

I think you are spot-on with this observation - thanks.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

From the tracker and industry view it looks like you have zero navy points and lacking 700 points daily. Stop producing(or stop accelerating ) some ships to get in positive numbers.

I saw that too - I just interpreted the info as a problem with the mod and naval shipping. I did stop/halt some of the naval ships but I probably needed to stop more than I did.

Thanks for your thoughts. How do you come up with 700 points that I'm lacking daily from that screenshot I shared earlier?

Ahhh 2407 - 1701... wow - that's a lot of ship points... Thanks for pointing this out to me. Right in front of my faces... Jeepers.

[821Bobo]

Ahhh 2407 - 1701... wow - that's a lot of ship points...

Yes, thats it.
Looks like you have 2M more supplies than in scn1, you can afford to convert some merchant shipyard to naval.