People stll playing ATG

[CaptBeefheart]

Yes, I fire this game up about once a month nowadays. I can highly recommend Ormand's "Four Seasons with Models Mod" here.

The strategic decision making is a lot of fun in this game.

Cheers,
CB

[Vic]

Taking advantage of this gathering of grogs to pose a question

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

Best wishes,
Vic

[Ridcully70]

I've been returning to ATG recently. I've been trying to get into the Gary Grigsby games and HOI 4 but I just find ATG a more satisfying gaming experience overall. I wouldn't be that interested in another WW2 mod but I would like to see the release of a further improved version of ATG, perhaps "Advanced Tactics Gold Commander's Edition" or something.

[ernieschwitz]

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

For me it depends on what would be the trade-off. Are we getting a lot of new features that are not available and could not be available without a reprogramming of the core? Naturally being backwards compatible would be a boon, but if not, it would mean that the best could probably be redone again.

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: Vic

Taking advantage of this gathering of grogs to pose a question

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

Best wishes,
Vic

How hard is it to code a new game to have a selection to play the old stuff?

[Ormand]

Overall, I have loved this game partly because it gives a lot of control to us as well. I have spent a lot of time on it since I decided to to make a mod before ATG came out and I got so far along that I couldn't give it up. So, I enjoy it for a lot of challenges. Also, I am not sure I want to go through the trouble of learning a whole new system, so I keep coming back to ATG.

I mostly ply against AI because I am a bit too busy to get involved in play-by-email and let someone else hanging until I can get back to it. Now that I think I have FourSeasons reasonably settled, I am trying to turn to a few historical scenarios. But, even with its flaws, this a great game system and has given me a lot of pleasure.

[Ormand]

ORIGINAL: Vic

Taking advantage of this gathering of grogs to pose a question

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

Best wishes,
Vic

Interesting question. I suppose that with all the effort I have put in, I would answer that I would appreciate that very much thank you. But, it would depend I guess on how much more got added. What I like is the flexibility of the system. You basically allow us to take it over and remake it. I can only say, wow.

Having spent a lot of time to remake the graphics, I am not likely to do that again if it is not rather simple to do.

I would generally say that if the current engine is, in your opinion, limiting in regards to what you think can be done, then, I would push forward and deliver the product that you would like to have. I would suggest something similar in its flexibility because I tend to think that is what has led to its longevity and loyal following.

[ernieschwitz]

To echo Ormands request that thigs be similar. It would for instance be great if things would somehow be transferable. I.e. that a scenario map could be translated, and similar.

[Vic]

Well for the moment I have my plate full finishing Shadow Empire. After that there is a mystery title coming after it.
But I think at some time after Advanced Tactics deserves some love.

[ArmouredLion]

Hey, Bombur... been meaning to reply... But been so damn busy. ATG & the 38 mod had me at hello and likely till I get dressed up in a coffin. No game offers a "general" the options to express themselves as they both do. Absolutely stellar titles. My problem is the juice isn't there to play as I'd like. Because of all the options, it demands full CPU power from the noodle, and I rarely have that these days. I was so into our game as Germany... but, my daughter is now homeschooling age and that's two hard heads I have to teach, plus all the other jazz. Only thing I play with much zeal is SC because the turns are 15-30 min. BUT, I'd prefer ATG and 38. Again, NO GAME I have found is as engaging. I do still play ATG though... as you know, as the Chinese... and I give my all there

[BvB]

I hadn't been on this board in years, but do play ATG with people not on this board. This is one of the better games to play vs the AI. Others I play the AI isn't as good - Grigsby's War in the East, old Talonsoft Civil War stuff. A simple free on line turn based game I play is at www dot fightingflattops dot com
I occasionally try World of Tanks or the Blitz version but between my old twitchy hands and so many whining kids or poor losers I haven't in months. Bottom line its mostly ATG and the free on line game I mentioned. So if any need a player for that 1938 battle I'll try as any position. Salute

[Bombur]

I downloaded it, anxious to try....

[Bombur]

ORIGINAL: Vic

Well for the moment I have my plate full finishing Shadow Empire. After that there is a mystery title coming after it.
But I think at some time after Advanced Tactics deserves some love.

for the moment I have my plate full finishing Shadow Empire. After that there is a mystery title coming after it.
But I think at some time after Advanced Tactics deserves some love.

I have lots of ideas to improve the air and naval engines, and also to include make modern warfare better. If you´re interested....

[Bombur]

ORIGINAL: ArmouredLion

Hey, Bombur... been meaning to reply... But been so damn busy. ATG & the 38 mod had me at hello and likely till I get dressed up in a coffin. No game offers a "general" the options to express themselves as they both do. Absolutely stellar titles. My problem is the juice isn't there to play as I'd like. Because of all the options, it demands full CPU power from the noodle, and I rarely have that these days. I was so into our game as Germany... but, my daughter is now homeschooling age and that's two hard heads I have to teach, plus all the other jazz. Only thing I play with much zeal is SC because the turns are 15-30 min. BUT, I'd prefer ATG and 38. Again, NO GAME I have found is as engaging. I do still play ATG though... as you know, as the Chinese... and I give my all there

Thank you for enjoying our work, my friend. I think I´m back to editing. Having lots of fun, creating custom battleships for GD 1938.

[Tac2i]

Backwards compatibility with ATG isn't a major thing for me. A more advanced and current AT is more important. Perhaps, in a new AT2, include ATG as part of the package. Alternatively, offer ATG, with the purchase of AT2, for another $10 or something like that.

ORIGINAL: Vic

Taking advantage of this gathering of grogs to pose a question

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

Best wishes,
Vic

[mattpilot]

Whatever comes in the future, please let it have a random map generator. The lack of that really puts me off from any of the other titles you guys released. I've been playing WW2 themed strategy games for 20 years now... i need alt-history to enjoy it.

[altipueri]

The random scenario generator is important for my enjoyment of games.

ATG has it
The early Combat Mission games had it.
John Tiller's Campaign Series has it
Armored Brigade has it

Any others?

[redboot]

I still play this game a fair amount, mostly against the AI. Just seem to keep coming back to it. Been wargaming for decades and still find this and John Tiller's Campaigns Series to be the best computer wargames on the market for grog-heads like me. I'd like to play it more against humans actually. (Anybody who's up for a game should feel free to PM me.)

In answer to Vic's question, backwards compatibility is a non-issue for me, as I play the randomly generated stuff. ATG getting some love from you post-Shadow Empire would be great if the only impact is to bring some more players in.

[davebob]

This old Avalon Hill era grog still playing. Anxiously awaiting Shadow Empire. Still play Civ 3, Midieval Total War. Ability to play a small game, and the editor, will always keep ATG on my computer.

[CSO_Talorgan]

ORIGINAL: Vic

If there would ever be an "ATP" or an "AT2" how important would it be that it is backwards compatible with .at2 scenarios for you all?

Not particularly important

ORIGINAL: Tac2i

Backwards compatibility with ATG isn't a major thing for me. A more advanced and current AT is more important.

^^^^ I agree with this ^^^^


1. Existing ATG's biggest Achilles heel IMHO is the documentation. There is clearly a lot of power under the bonnet, but I, a non-coder, cannot figure it out, and am therefore unable to access and harness it.

Decisive Campaigns benefited from good explanatory videos, and Lancer's input was *fantastic*. Hire him.

Never mind the game; his writing was so good it was entertainment all on its own!

2. You already know about the need to expand the naval game.

3. I've already bored you to death with requests for "hard supplies", to allow convoy games.

4. I haven't bought Shadow Empire yet, but noticed on a screenshot a battle about to take place. In a preview pane there was a seven hex map and all the factors which were about to be crunched in the battle.

You do wonder about this concept being developed, so that ATG becomes its own campaign manager. When two divisions do battle we warp to another screen displaying the terrain in more detail and the various subfomations of the two divisions. After they have slugged it out for however many rounds return to the main map. Lots of nice juicy detail and context.