OT - The New Coronavirus

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
[:o]
If you drink a liter of Jack Daniels, the influenza will not bother you.

[:D] You could probably step in front of a bus and survive the impact.

Especially if the bus is not moving.

Unless you are extremely dumb, or an 18 wheeler is coming the other direction..

[Zap]

Why did they name it after a beer?

[Zovs]

breathless news coverage is relative risk. In the United States, 34,000-44,000 people die annually from influenza and complications from influenza. Probably that number times 100 are clinically affected, but recover. Other countries have similar incidence/case fatality rate per unit of population.

Do you really have to ask that?

I mean the whole time I was stationed at Fort Bliss every Thursday night was 19 cent Corona night in Juárez, and every Friday morning during our Post Run at 0615 we be not only gasping for breath from our run but gagging for air due to all the nasty smelling farts in front of us. Every 5 minutes you see a soldier who dropped out of formation to puke up his share of $1.14 - $1.71 worth in beer.

Fun times you say? Or was the Chinese in kohoots with the Mexicans experimenting with chemical warfare in 1987 - 1988?

I know where I am placing my bets...

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: rico21

Where is this new wargame, on steam?

Yup.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2466 ... c_Evolved/

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster




[:D] You could probably step in front of a bus and survive the impact.

Especially if the bus is not moving.

Unless you are extremely dumb, or an 18 wheeler is coming the other direction..

Or extremely drunk. Here's a hint. Jack Daniels. [:D]

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: Blond_Knight

Im at home with Influenza not dying as we speak.

Same here. I spent four days in bed and now I'm fine - just in time for the Coronavirus' formal arrival in Italy. [8|]

[Sieben]

I hope you folks are still laughing when the virus establishes itself in your country.

[rico21]

At first, I was very scared!
This thing that crosses the entire planet at a crazy speed here must cost a crazy nut!
Then when I learned that it was free, I breathed!

[Erik Rutins]

I'll feel much less concerned about it if we can see the case count stabilizing or declining. Right now, even using the "official" figures from China, it's growing at an alarming rate if that continues for another few weeks.

[Zorch]

Something new has emerged about 2019-nCoV.

'The first case of coronavirus being spread by a person with no symptoms has been found' https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fir ... nd-germany

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: Sieben

I hope you folks are still laughing when the virus establishes itself in your country.

In the light of it being a claim of "global" emergency since other viruses had similar claims which never made it to a Global level, that might be the people not taking it seriously.

In fact, China doesn't seem to think it that serious, why did they reject the offer of our governments help. Its a crazy theory but is it possible they see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population.

[Hellen_slith]

A what? a virus? That's beyond me. I have absolutely ZERO concern.

Pretty sad when one of the LAST bastions of rather elevated thought--a wargames forum, where pretty much all folks have a better than average intelligence--

is invaded by this fear-mongering BS. Keep it out of here, please. I am just fine w/ my brew and wargame, thanks.

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Sieben

I hope you folks are still laughing when the virus establishes itself in your country.

That's exactly the point that several of us are trying to make. Something MUCH more deadly and MUCH more widespread is established in all of our countries, and has been for 100+ years. Influenza. Look it up!

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: USSAmerica

ORIGINAL: Sieben

I hope you folks are still laughing when the virus establishes itself in your country.

That's exactly the point that several of us are trying to make. Something MUCH more deadly and MUCH more widespread is established in all of our countries, and has been for 100+ years. Influenza. Look it up!

Please remember that influenza does not have a death rate of 30% (MERS), 10% (SARS), or an estimated 4% (2019-nCoV). The Center for Disease Control estimates that there have been more than 15 million cases of the flu, and more than 8,200 deaths so far in the 2019-2020 flu season in the USA. And that is with flu shots to boost immunity. Let's hope we don't have to do the math on 15 million cases of 2019-nCoV.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: USSAmerica

ORIGINAL: Sieben

I hope you folks are still laughing when the virus establishes itself in your country.

That's exactly the point that several of us are trying to make. Something MUCH more deadly and MUCH more widespread is established in all of our countries, and has been for 100+ years. Influenza. Look it up!

Yeah so why bother trying to contain it or being prepared. Not like it can be spread human to human. Oops, guess it can be. Not like many people have it. Oh crap, 11000 and climbing even with an authoritarian governments extreme measures. Not like it's killing people at a 20x higher rate than the flu has over the last 9 years. Oh wait, it is. But it's nothing to be concerned about until it's too late. [;)]

Remember the Spanish flu virus pandemic at the end of WW1 where somewhere between 3% and 6% of the world population died? No one wants to see that again with this new virus.

[RangerJoe]

The Spanish Flu was in wartime so that should be an outlier. Some people were actually buried alive. It may have been a bird flu from India, actually.

Are the numbers up because it is spreading faster? Or are the numbers up because they now have a test and know what they are looking for? Are the deaths actually from another, complacating illness? Are there other factors involved in the deaths?

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

The Spanish Flu was in wartime so that should be an outlier. Some people were actually buried alive. It may have been a bird flu from India, actually.

IIRC, it was a pig flu that "jumped" from animals to men in some US barracks, just before the US troops arrived in Europe in 1917.

Also, a key factor in the Spanish flu was the debilitation of many people - both soldiers and civilians - during and after WWI. One of the biggest "what if" in history is "what would have happened to the war had the flu arrived only six month earlier? An early end with a White Peace?

I started to read this book:

The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

It is amazing to discover how rudimental the health sciences were only 100 years ago - with the US trailing after Europe.

There is also this very interesting series with Clive Owen, on HBO, which covers from 1900 onwards.

The Knick

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

The Spanish Flu was in wartime so that should be an outlier. Some people were actually buried alive. It may have been a bird flu from India, actually.

Are the numbers up because it is spreading faster? Or are the numbers up because they now have a test and know what they are looking for? Are the deaths actually from another, complacating illness? Are there other factors involved in the deaths?

Please read the articles linked to at the beginning of this thread....

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Hellen_slith

A what? a virus? That's beyond me. I have absolutely ZERO concern.

Pretty sad when one of the LAST bastions of rather elevated thought--a wargames forum, where pretty much all folks have a better than average intelligence--

is invaded by this fear-mongering BS. Keep it out of here, please. I am just fine w/ my brew and wargame, thanks.

Just in case anyone considers this the common flu and are feeling safe and secure in their homes:

https://www.globalsecurity.org/security ... w%252e2kup

Remember, China is an authoritarian nation that has high levels of control of it's people and their movement.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: Hellen_slith

A what? a virus? That's beyond me. I have absolutely ZERO concern.

Pretty sad when one of the LAST bastions of rather elevated thought--a wargames forum, where pretty much all folks have a better than average intelligence--

is invaded by this fear-mongering BS. Keep it out of here, please. I am just fine w/ my brew and wargame, thanks.

Just in case anyone considers this the common flu and are feeling safe and secure in their homes:

https://www.globalsecurity.org/security ... w%252e2kup

Remember, China is an authoritarian nation that has high levels of control of it's people and their movement.

China's authoritarianism vis a vis disease control cuts both ways. While they do have higher levels of control of people's movement, their reporting mechanisms for diseases should always be taken with a grain of salt. A BIG grain of salt. They tend to not report things of medical importance when it jeopardizes their export markets or challenges their state-run world view. They are evasive with their 'case definitions' and rule-outs of other causative or diseases of co-morbidity. They over report conditions when it suits their world view and have used this to sweep other health issues under the rug-a so-called 'kitchen sink' report. I could go on and on about how I view the Chinese 'take' on this disease with circumspection. Overapplication of their reported case-fatality rate, 'numbers infected', numbers hospitalized and on and on is fraught with logical peril if one doubts the verity of their tale from the get go.

They're not the only ones that do this, of course. I've seen the same approach from many (mostly) authoritarian regimes that want to control the flow of information and use epidemic outbreaks to their party political advantage. Unfortunately, I've also seen more limited instances of manipulation of events and news flow in Western democracies too. Including some states domestically.

Point being: I think there is a novel pathogen in the Wuhan-origin Coronavirus outbreak. But that's as far as I'm going. Is it worse than other domestic Chinese respiratory pathogens that they aren't so widely reporting? Probably not, believe it or not. Is it worse than the H1N1 "Spanish Flu"? Doubtful. Is it worse than "SARS"? Doubtful. Is it a more significant global threat than myriad other Chinese-spawned infectious diseases that don't get as much media play anymore? Maybe, maybe not.

For those of you that think this is the next global pandemic, I'd advise you to sell everything you may own in the stock market, cordon off your homes, cut off ties with work acquaintances and stock up on dehydrated food. Oh, get yourself a potable (chlorinated) water source too. Firearms optional but advised.

For those that think this overblown (full disclosure: me), I'd wait for a couple-three weeks of stock market panic. We've got one under our belts now, wait another two or so. Then buy stocks that you'd wanted to buy for the last three months but were too 'expensive'. Panickers gonna panic. Particularly those that haven't seen this sort of thing before and lack the objectivity to distinguish between novelty and horror.