UV / Advanced Third Reich combo?

[Mr.Frag]

Having played ATR more then a few times, I have to wonder about the size of the box this puppy comes in with all the counters and maps and tables and manuals.

I can somewhat understand the price although it would be really nice if someone computerized the whole thing to get rid of the box so you could just print out the maps in 6-12 sectionals each quarter year to plan your move. Would be great from a PBEM standpoint too, with everything already stored in the computer to flip off the email. Being able to scratch up the printed map with your strategy notes so you remembered your plans from last turn is extremely helpful, especially in PBEM games that do not have extremely quick turnaround times.

I'm too old to be crawling around on the floor (cause they don't make tables that big) and moving little cardboard counters around.

There is one aspect to wargaming that you really need to take into account. Space! Anyone who ever played AH's Jutland at full scale knows what I mean.

Sad to say, but thats one I won't be putting on the shopping list. Too bad no one ever took the TR computer game to the next level as TR was just a training game for ATR which sounds like a training game for this puppy.

[pasternakski]

Originally posted by Mr.Frag
Having played ATR more then a few times, I have to wonder about the size of the box this puppy comes in with all the counters and maps and tables and manuals.

There have been so many board game permutations of strategic WWII, I don't even pay any attention to them anymore.

I'm too old to be crawling around on the floor (cause they don't make tables that big) and moving little cardboard counters around.

"Too old to rock and roll, too young to die."

There is one aspect to wargaming that you really need to take into account. Space! Anyone who ever played AH's Jutland at full scale knows what I mean.

Yeah, but it was so much FUN to lay out your move with those 3 foot long maneuver gauges and 4 1/2 foot long range finders. Pity that the game was "Igo-yougo." The Germans could always sidle their destroyers up dangerously close to the British battle line for a torpedo attack, and all the British could do was turn 90 degrees away to avoid as many torps as possible, while the German capital ships had a chance to move after the British light ships had done so. C'est la cardboard guerre.

Sad to say, but thats one I won't be putting on the shopping list. Too bad no one ever took the TR computer game to the next level as TR was just a training game for ATR which sounds like a training game for this puppy.

$175? Shoot, you could have yerself a pretty good weekend in Vegas on that. Yes, I sure wish that someone would pick up the 3R computer game ball and run with it ... Matrix 2by3, maybe?

[PeckingFury]

Yeah they can make it like HoI ...one sec please...<dry heaves>