Destroyer Simulation Inbound

[LargeSlowTarget]

ORIGINAL: Shellshock

I well recall the destroyer simulator called Destroyer Command from 2002 although I didn't play it for long. I recollect mostly that it had a wretched AI, and the destroyer formations were infamous for running aground or into each other.

Prompted by this thread, I have actually dug-up my installation cd of "Destroyer Command" to see if I can get it to run on modern Windows.

I well recall this one from C64 days - I was quite good at the AA gun station, regularily killing 96 out of 96 attacking planes in the Kamikaze mission.

[Platoonist]

Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back. [X(]

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back. [X(]

I'm guessing you didn't start gaming on a 286 machine with Mr Grigsby's 640k Ram Dos games .... I say that because we people who did tend to be more forgiving of these things than the entitlement generation.

[fcooke]

Unless you count an Atari console as a platform, my first was a C64. The graphics were quite good. I wasted a lot of my life playing a game called Sixth Fleet. But the C64 had way better graphics than a 286 machine. Though I made a fair bit of dosh on Intel stock. Well, not really, I donated it, but made me feel good.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back. [X(]

I'm guessing you didn't start gaming on a 286 machine with Mr Grigsby's 640k Ram Dos games .... I say that because we people who did tend to be more forgiving of these things than the entitlement generation.

Yes, I think that those people who make comments like that should permanently use Depends undergarments. Not to mention going out into the sun because they might melt. BTW, look back and think of 64k which also included the operating system . . .

[spence]

Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.

Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

submarine commander from 1982

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMiVVd-mpY

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: spence

Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.

Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.

One, he was a Coastie so that was his job first - to rescue people. Two, you have to know which orders to disobey - just like Patton with Palmyra in Sicily.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: spence

Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.

Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.

One, he was a Coastie so that was his job first - to rescue people. Two, you have to know which orders to disobey - just like Patton with Palmyra in Sicily.

If he did a through sonar sweep of the area before stopping, he could justify stopping. Also, a troop transport torpedoed puts a lot more lives in jeopardy than a cargo ship. Merchant sailors are expected to know how to get the lifeboats launched quickly and get in them, or use the rafts aboard. Still a dicey call since sonar sweeps are not proof positive that no subs are nearby.

[wolfclan]

I'm not sure he had sonar, at least wiki says the ship got sonar in 1966. The article I read said his ship was the only ship in the convoy with HF/DF which was probably the reason the Convoy Commander was so concerned. As far as Raney's career, the Convoy Commander was RN and would not have much influence. By the time Raney got back to the east coast, the rescued had talked to the papers (a security violation) and had made him into a public hero. Overall, he was probably lucky--and we all know what is claimed that Napoleon said about lucky generals.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: wolfclan

I'm not sure he had sonar, at least wiki says the ship got sonar in 1966. The article I read said his ship was the only ship in the convoy with HF/DF which was probably the reason the Convoy Commander was so concerned. As far as Raney's career, the Convoy Commander was RN and would not have much influence. By the time Raney got back to the east coast, the rescued had talked to the papers (a security violation) and had made him into a public hero. Overall, he was probably lucky--and we all know what is claimed that Napoleon said about lucky generals.

USCGC Bibb

It had a version earlier but apparently not in 1944:

Sensors and
processing systems: Radar: (1945) SK, SG-1; (1966) AN/SPS-29D, AN/SPA-52.
Fire Control Radar: (1945) Mk-26; (1966) Mk-26 MOD 4
Sonar: (1945) QC series; (1966) SQS-11
Electronic warfare
& decoys: HF/DF: (1943)

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/USCGC_Bibb_(WPG-31)

[Ambassador]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Unless you count an Atari console as a platform, my first was a C64. The graphics were quite good. I wasted a lot of my life playing a game called Sixth Fleet. But the C64 had way better graphics than a 286 machine. Though I made a fair bit of dosh on Intel stock. Well, not really, I donated it, but made me feel good.

I remember playing a boardgame called Sixth Fleet (NATO/Pact scenarios in the Med during the '80s), but not a computer game. Was it the same ?

[fcooke]

My memory is failing me. Yes, 6th fleet was a board game which I spent some time with. I think the c64 game was called Strike Fleet.. Thanks for helping clear things up. This dates me, but my Mom threw out all my board games when I went away to college err 'a few years ago' so, sixth fleet, panzer leader, and numerous other titles went bye bye. she also said farewell to all the models I had built. So roughly 50 of those got binned as well. Which is all sort of amusing since my Mom is a hoarder by nature and didn't need my bedroom for anything else. When I asked her about it, the answer was 'that was kids stuff you didn't need anymore'

I still wish I had those games and models. My hands are not steady enough any more to do the paint jobs I did on those models.

Such is life.

[spence]

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ORIGINAL: wolfclan

I'm not sure he had sonar, at least wiki says the ship got sonar in 1966. The article I read said his ship was the only ship in the convoy with HF/DF which was probably the reason the Convoy Commander was so concerned. As far as Raney's career, the Convoy Commander was RN and would not have much influence. By the time Raney got back to the east coast, the rescued had talked to the papers (a security violation) and had made him into a public hero. Overall, he was probably lucky--and we all know what is claimed that Napoleon said about lucky generals.


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USCGC Bibb



It had a version earlier but apparently not in 1944:

quote:

Sensors and
processing systems: Radar: (1945) SK, SG-1; (1966) AN/SPS-29D, AN/SPA-52.
Fire Control Radar: (1945) Mk-26; (1966) Mk-26 MOD 4
Sonar: (1945) QC series; (1966) SQS-11
Electronic warfare
& decoys: HF/DF: (1943)



https://military.wikia.org/wiki/USCGC_Bibb_(WPG-31)

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For some reason it seems none of the web sources have a listing of what type of sonar was installed on CGC Bibb or any of her sister ships but Bibb most certainly had some type of sonar before WW2 since she was rearmed in 1941 and transferred to the operational control of the Navy in Nov (if not before that-all remaining units of the USCG were transferred to the USN in Nov 1941).
CGC Bibb is not credited with sinking any U-boats but 3 of her sister ships did sink U-boats.

One is especially notable: CGC Spencer sank U-175 detecting it underwater and tracking and depth charging it right through the middle of Convoy HX-235 in April 43. With propellor noises from 50 odd other nearby ships it could not use a hydrophone to track the submarine (her only casualties were caused by friendly fire from those nearby ships). The CGC Spencer also depth charged and sank another U-boat: U-633. Sister ship CGC Ingham depth charged and sank U-626 apparently attacking it as a "doubtful" contact.

The Treasury class 327' cutters displaced more than any of the pre-war destroyer classes and were more heavily armed than any other US ship escorting convoys in the North Atlantic until the advent of USN escort carriers, DDs and DEs in hunter-killer groups. Their principle foible was having only one engine room and one fire-room they were limited to 20 kt+/-.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: spence

For some reason it seems none of the web sources have a listing of what type of sonar was installed on CGC Bibb or any of her sister ships but Bibb most certainly had some type of sonar before WW2 since she was rearmed in 1941 and transferred to the operational control of the Navy in Nov (if not before that-all remaining units of the USCG were transferred to the USN in Nov 1941).
CGC Bibb is not credited with sinking any U-boats but 3 of her sister ships did sink U-boats.

One is especially notable: CGC Spencer sank U-175 detecting it underwater and tracking and depth charging it right through the middle of Convoy HX-235 in April 43. With propellor noises from 50 odd other nearby ships it could not use a hydrophone to track the submarine (her only casualties were caused by friendly fire from those nearby ships). The CGC Spencer also depth charged and sank another U-boat: U-633. Sister ship CGC Ingham depth charged and sank U-626 apparently attacking it as a "doubtful" contact.

The Treasury class 327' cutters displaced more than any of the pre-war destroyer classes and were more heavily armed than any other US ship escorting convoys in the North Atlantic until the advent of USN escort carriers, DDs and DEs in hunter-killer groups. Their principle foible was having only one engine room and one fire-room they were limited to 20 kt+/-.

They had to be heavily armed to handle the Canadian Rum-runners during Prohibition. [:D]

[spence]

They had to be heavily armed to handle the Canadian Rum-runners during Prohibition.

The case of the "I'M ALONE" is an interesting confrontation between Canada and the US during that time (strangely I first heard about the case in a song by the Woods Tea Company).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVEOEbvKUs