Looking for a good Russian Campaign game

[RangerJoe]

I do play WITP:AE, but the only predecessor that I played to that is PacWar. I do like Panzer General I and II, and the original Steel Panthers. Since my anniversary is coming up with the coupon, I as thinking of getting another game or two. Something that won't take too long to play but could have campaigns.

No one around to play board war games unless it would be two cats but they might damage the game pieces. [:(]

I will sometimes play Masters of Orion II as well, modifying the game in play as needed.

I do like the idea of building things up economically to improve the position so I can overwhelm the opponents with quantity and quality.

[Shellshock]

War in the East is a mountain of a game, but chock full of historical detail. The graphics are understandable and the scope is excellent.

However, it does has a bit of a steep learning curve and a bit of a clunky interface. Plus, there have been a lot of changes since the original game was released in 2010, so make sure you read the living manual.

[MrsWargamer]

"Something that won't take too long to play but could have campaigns."

The short time frame requirement might be a barrier.
As you know WitP, you know what detail is about. WitE is WitP without an ocean.

If you want to score a lot of mileage with your coupon, I'm thinking TOAW 4 or Panzer Corps 2. But some won't like the environment of Panzer Corps.
And that's the trick, you seem like a person that wants detail (WitP).

I scrolled the whole of Matrix Games titles, and really, your choices seem to be if not WitE, Decisive Campaigns, World in Flames, TOAW 4, otherwise, you have to go to Tactical level for more choices.
I could mention titles off site, but, we would need to dismiss the coupon benefit.

[RangerJoe]

I don't mind tactical level games, I did enjoy the original Steel Panthers.

So WITP is like WITE, but I play WITP:AE, never the original.

So maybe Panzer Corps 2 along with another game.

It is not like I work or anything like that.[8D]

[RFalvo69]

I find WitE a bit simpler to get into than TOAW. Just fire up a small scenario (like "The Road to Minsk") watch a couple of tutorials and start pushing counters around. If your situation becomes dire then you delve more in the manual and start understanding the finer aspects of the game.

TOAW assumes that you already know a lot before you fire it up for the first time: what the optional rules do (a tons of them), what is the difference between the various kinds of "reserve" and "loss tolerance" for your units, the very tricky "rounds burned" mechanism (that I always hated) and other stuff. Also, as others pointed out, WitE uses an engine built from the ground up to specifically simulate the Eastern Front - and refined to the hilt by a decade of patches.

[gwgardner]

There's a good operational-level Russian front aspect with Warplan.

I personally did not find TOAW4 difficult to learn. It has lots of tutorials in the forum. Actually the first scenario I played in TOAW4 was a Barbarossa campaign. I did an AAR on it if you want to see how it looked.

[RangerJoe]

Well, they are also coming out with WITE2, sometime . . .

[GaryChildress]

I'm sure War in the East is a fun game for some but I've never been able to get into it. It seems so daunting and I haven't a clue what I'm doing. But I keep telling myself I'll give it a go one of these days. I had the same sort of thing with TOAW. Never could get into that one either. I know, it's sacrilege on a wargame forum. The funny thing is, I seem to be more interested in logistics than I am in combat. Maybe why I loved Uncommon Valor and War in the Pacific so much despite their complexity.

[Shellshock]

ORIGINAL: GaryChildress

I'm sure War in the East is a fun game for some but I've never been able to get into it. It seems so daunting and I haven't a clue what I'm doing. But I keep telling myself I'll give it a go one of these days. I had the same sort of thing with TOAW. Never could get into that one either. I know, it's sacrilege on a wargame forum. The funny thing is, I seem to be more interested in logistics than I am in combat. Maybe why I loved Uncommon Valor and War in the Pacific so much despite their complexity.

Logistics fan huh? Have you ever tried Gary Grigsby's War in the West? Depots, freight and rail capacity, oh my!

[Eambar]

If you do pick up WiTE (and I suggest you do if you are looking for the definitive game of the Eastern Front) be sure to pick up the expansion Lost Battles. It has a number of smaller (dozen turns or so) scenarios that are quite challenging and well worth the few extra dollars.

Cheers

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Well, they are also coming out with WITE2, sometime . . .

indeed

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi everyone,

Development on WITE2 is going very well, we are in a late beta stage and it's shaping up to be great wargame. It's been a much bigger endeavour than WITW was compared to WITE. We'll be able to share a lot more with you all, including a release timeframe, during December. Stay tuned and you'll know much more in the near future.

Regards,

- Erik

[ThunderLizard11]

Look at Order of Battle. Has a number of DLC focused on Eastern front.

[IslandInland]

ORIGINAL: Hartmann301

Can someone suggest a really good Russian Campaign (41-45) type of game. Nothing smaller than divisional level units. Thanks

Gary Grigsby's War In The East. It's the one you are looking forand the only one you will need. At least until War In The East 2 is released.


https://www.matrixgames.com/game/gary-g ... -1941-1945

Wait for the upcoming Christmas sale though.

[Anonymous]

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[Protonic2020]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

War in the East is, IMHO, the best choice right now. It offers a lot of scenarios and campaigns (from small operation to the whole war), it is not really that hard to learn, and it is hard to learn how to play well - always a plus in my book. You also can find a lot of online opponents in the dedicated forum.

Decisive Campaigns Barbarossa is simpler, but introduces an interesting role-playing aspect: you are the middleman, stuck between a demanding boss and prima-donna generals. Quite realistic IMHO. It only covers Barbarossa, toh.

The Operational Art of War IV has tons of scenarios set in the East Front, from mind-numbingly detailed campaigns to simpler operations. You also get all other theatres and scenarios ranging from horse & musket to modern day. WitE, however, is more "dedicated" and (still IMHO) even a bit simpler than TOAW.

Before committing your hard-earned money you could wait for WitE 2 - which will use the more refined and detailed War in the West engine. However, I play WitE since when it was published, and it is a perfectly fine game.

That does it, several recommended, well those expansions this time, the DLC´s for WitE are mine. I better get those before January 10´th, hurry! No, no hurry. I personally dislike the general idea of those add on expansions common for games nowadays, smells like profit spirit but this is the exception! No rule without exceptions and lets see how many for the WitE game... TWO, and they´re 50% discounted these days.

Should i do it? Or wait for WitE 2, now i became hesitant, again. Heh
- "It´s a perfectly fine game", and that price is not a whole lot of money. SOLD

[Protonic2020]

Clock me! From last comment to this, i need the timestamp. The difference is the time it took me to download and install the expansions. "What´s the verdict Doc".
16 minutes give or take, meh. I could have been faster. Just didn´t realize i would clock myself.