Mediterannean war

[IslandInland]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I am not in the slightest interested in modding WITP-AE for WITM. For the avoidance of doubt that is not to disparage WITP-AE in anyway (which is a hugely successful game that maintains a large and dedicated following). It does however reflect three things:

- WITP-AE is now an 'old' game in terms of graphics and presentation. For those frail of dotage, with eyesight to match, this makes the game too hard on the eyes.
- The land war is not ideally served (and this is recognised by some WITP-AE players themselves).
- Yes, I want a huge level of detail from a WITM game, but I don't want that detail targeted in some of the areas that WITP-AE focuses on.

I have acknowledged that my dream game will never happen - certainly not in my lifetime - which is a real shame considering just how ideal the campaign is for wargaming. But that won't stop me plugging this at every opportunity, and it was heartening to see fran52's OP.

Anyway, back to reality....

Cheer up.

Whether it is made in your lifetime or not the game will not be tailored to your exact specifications unless you fund its development.

All human endeavours games included are compromises of some sort or another.

I would be happy with any sort of reasonable attempt at a serious WWII Med wargame which treated the naval, air and land battles with equal balance and weight.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I am not in the slightest interested in modding WITP-AE for WITM. For the avoidance of doubt that is not to disparage WITP-AE in anyway (which is a hugely successful game that maintains a large and dedicated following). It does however reflect three things:

- WITP-AE is now an 'old' game in terms of graphics and presentation. For those frail of dotage, with eyesight to match, this makes the game too hard on the eyes.
- The land war is not ideally served (and this is recognised by some WITP-AE players themselves).
- Yes, I want a huge level of detail from a WITM game, but I don't want that detail targeted in some of the areas that WITP-AE focuses on.

I have acknowledged that my dream game will never happen - certainly not in my lifetime - which is a real shame considering just how ideal the campaign is for wargaming. But that won't stop me plugging this at every opportunity, and it was heartening to see fran52's OP.

Anyway, back to reality....

Cheer up.

Whether it is made in your lifetime or not the game will not be tailored to your exact specifications unless you fund its development.

All human endeavours games included are compromises of some sort or another.

I would be happy with any sort of reasonable attempt at a serious WWII Med wargame which treated the naval, air and land battles with equal balance and weight.

warspite1

LoL - firstly no need to cheer up, this game hasn't happened by now so I was not exactly pinning my hopes on it [;)]

Thank you for pointing out that my exact specifications won't be catered for in a game I acknowledge will never happen [&:] But I have a simple plan to rectify that. I'll just have to win the Euromillions and fund the project myself. Simples [:D]

As for what you would be happy for - yes I would obviously be happy for that too. After all provided it makes an honest attempt to reflect the facets of the campaign - naval, land and air - then beggars can't be choosers and it would great to have something.

But that does not stop me posting about my dream.

[IslandInland]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I am not in the slightest interested in modding WITP-AE for WITM. For the avoidance of doubt that is not to disparage WITP-AE in anyway (which is a hugely successful game that maintains a large and dedicated following). It does however reflect three things:

- WITP-AE is now an 'old' game in terms of graphics and presentation. For those frail of dotage, with eyesight to match, this makes the game too hard on the eyes.
- The land war is not ideally served (and this is recognised by some WITP-AE players themselves).
- Yes, I want a huge level of detail from a WITM game, but I don't want that detail targeted in some of the areas that WITP-AE focuses on.

I have acknowledged that my dream game will never happen - certainly not in my lifetime - which is a real shame considering just how ideal the campaign is for wargaming. But that won't stop me plugging this at every opportunity, and it was heartening to see fran52's OP.

Anyway, back to reality....

Cheer up.

Whether it is made in your lifetime or not the game will not be tailored to your exact specifications unless you fund its development.

All human endeavours games included are compromises of some sort or another.

I would be happy with any sort of reasonable attempt at a serious WWII Med wargame which treated the naval, air and land battles with equal balance and weight.

warspite1

LoL - firstly no need to cheer up, this game hasn't happened by now so I was not exactly pinning my hopes on it [;)]

Thank you for pointing out that my exact specifications won't be catered for in a game I acknowledge will never happen [&:] But I have a simple plan to rectify that. I'll just have to win the Euromillions and fund the project myself. Simples [:D]

As for what you would be happy for - yes I would obviously be happy for that too. After all provided it makes an honest attempt to reflect the facets of the campaign - naval, land and air - then beggars can't be choosers and it would great to have something.

But that does not stop me posting about my dream.

I guess pointing out the obvious engenders this sort of response...

Calm down.

It's late in England.

[8D]

[RangerJoe]

To be totally honest with you, I do not recommend any version of WITE nor WITW for any Mediteranean game. [8D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: IslandInland



Cheer up.

Whether it is made in your lifetime or not the game will not be tailored to your exact specifications unless you fund its development.

All human endeavours games included are compromises of some sort or another.

I would be happy with any sort of reasonable attempt at a serious WWII Med wargame which treated the naval, air and land battles with equal balance and weight.

warspite1

LoL - firstly no need to cheer up, this game hasn't happened by now so I was not exactly pinning my hopes on it [;)]

Thank you for pointing out that my exact specifications won't be catered for in a game I acknowledge will never happen [&:] But I have a simple plan to rectify that. I'll just have to win the Euromillions and fund the project myself. Simples [:D]

As for what you would be happy for - yes I would obviously be happy for that too. After all provided it makes an honest attempt to reflect the facets of the campaign - naval, land and air - then beggars can't be choosers and it would great to have something.

But that does not stop me posting about my dream.

I guess pointing out the obvious engenders this sort of response...

Calm down.

It's late in England.

[8D]

warspite1

[&:]

No need to calm down, I was just picking up on your points - one of which was indeed statin' the bleedin' obvious (as John Cleese would say).

Late in England? No, but its pretty early [:)]

[IslandInland]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

LoL - firstly no need to cheer up, this game hasn't happened by now so I was not exactly pinning my hopes on it [;)]

Thank you for pointing out that my exact specifications won't be catered for in a game I acknowledge will never happen [&:] But I have a simple plan to rectify that. I'll just have to win the Euromillions and fund the project myself. Simples [:D]

As for what you would be happy for - yes I would obviously be happy for that too. After all provided it makes an honest attempt to reflect the facets of the campaign - naval, land and air - then beggars can't be choosers and it would great to have something.

But that does not stop me posting about my dream.

I guess pointing out the obvious engenders this sort of response...

Calm down.

It's late in England.

[8D]

warspite1

[&:]

No need to calm down, I was just picking up on your points - one of which was indeed statin' the bleedin' obvious (as John Cleese would say).

Late in England? No, but its pretty early [:)]

There are always old comedy legends to fall back on.

It will be Blackadder next.

Bringin' out the big guns.

[:D]


It's late in England. Or early. But I guess for you it's late unless you get up at 3AM on Saturday morning.

So easily annoyed...

[Anonymous]

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[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I am not in the slightest interested in modding WITP-AE for WITM. For the avoidance of doubt that is not to disparage WITP-AE in anyway (which is a hugely successful game that maintains a large and dedicated following). It does however reflect three things:

- WITP-AE is now an 'old' game in terms of graphics and presentation. For those frail of dotage, with eyesight to match, this makes the game too hard on the eyes.
- The land war is not ideally served (and this is recognised by some WITP-AE players themselves).
- Yes, I want a huge level of detail from a WITM game, but I don't want that detail targeted in some of the areas that WITP-AE focuses on.

I have acknowledged that my dream game will never happen - certainly not in my lifetime - which is a real shame considering just how ideal the campaign is for wargaming. But that won't stop me plugging this at every opportunity, and it was heartening to see fran52's OP.

Anyway, back to reality....

Not to derail your post, but your not alone in the fact you will never see your dream game. I too have a couple of dream games, I will not see either one in my lifetime. (They are not Mediterranean games)

warspite1

Well of course. I am sure most (all?) of us have that game (or two [;)]) we'd like to see. I hope you get to see yours - although it doesn't sound promising from what you say.

[Anonymous]

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[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

Probably could start a new thread "What is your dream game(s)".

I hope you get yours, Avalanche press has a board game on the naval actions of the med, I don't think it covers ground units though.

Avalanche Press

warspite1

That game looks pricey - but the counters also look extremely well presented... Thanks for sharing - I think I've found a Christmas present [:)]

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: DeepBlack
Many of you may have already seen it but if not,
it is quite startling to hear him in English.

Mussolini speaks in English

Mussolini also spoke German. Here is a video of him giving a speech in Berlin (with English subtitles):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUMvD3imDc

Generally speaking, Mussolini was a really good writer (I'm talking about his style of course, not the contents). He could be bombastic when he wanted (and this is what he is famous for) but in everyday writing Mussolini showed a masterful ability to be always clear and to the point. He even had the habit of approving written proposals only after correcting the text with his red pen - a heritage of when he was a schoolteacher I guess.

[RangerJoe]

Since Little Bennie also spoke French, he could easily pass for an Italian Swiss person that also spoke English![;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5jS_LqnXk

Just don't ask me what he was saying!

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

Probably could start a new thread "What is your dream game(s)".

I hope you get yours, Avalanche press has a board game on the naval actions of the med, I don't think it covers ground units though.

Avalanche Press

warspite1

That game looks pricey - but the counters also look extremely well presented... Thanks for sharing - I think I've found a Christmas present [:)]

I have the WWI version and it is a very good game - once you fill in the missing rules [8|] More than that, the counters (which are absolutely wonderful) double as excellent miniatures for tabletop games like "Fear God and Dread Nought" or "Seekrieg V".

Edit: There are some groups that actually do just like that. They use the operational part of the game for... well, simulating the naval operations. Then, when a naval battle ensues, they switch to their Naval Miniature Rules of choice.

Somewhere, years ago, there was a AAR of a game that used a scenario from AP's "Bismarck" where the Scharnhorst and the Guinsenau sortied from Brest while the Bismarck and the Prinz Eugen were trying to break out in the Atlantic. All the battles were then solved using Seekrieg V - air attacks included. The playthrough took six weeks. I looked for it, but after the cancellation of Yahoo groups I fear that a lot of stuff got lost.

[Anonymous]

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[Lobster]

Holy check book Batman! $149.99!

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Since Little Bennie also spoke French, he could easily pass for an Italian Swiss person that also spoke English![;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5jS_LqnXk

Just don't ask me what he was saying!

Well, what a wonderful find! The audio is really bad, but from what I gather, Mussolini addresses the fears that Italy could rearm and consider going to war as a solution for her problems. Mussolini points out that he was a soldier in WWI and so he knows what "war" really means. He then adds that as a politician, he became aware of how each country, winners and losers, was still suffering from the wounds of the Great War. These two experiences, put together, convinced him that "war" should never be seen as the solution to anything.

Mussolini also muses about how the scientific progress will, unavoidably, ensure that a Second World War will see even more suffering and destruction than the first one.

For these reasons (I'm still translating) Mussolini ensures that Italy will never initiate a new war. Even more, Italy will always be on the front line in any future disarmament talks.

The propaganda arrives in the last part. Italy, we are told, wants a long peace so that "the fruits of the Fascist regime can be consolidated and grow even more". The (Fascist) Italians, along with other the peoples, will be able to ensure peace and prosperity for all.

I'm not sure about the closure. Something about the fact that, in the modern World, "competition" (like in the exploration of new lands) is still an important part for the equilibrium of human spirit, but that it can be intended in a "sporty" way. I could be wrong, however, the audio is quite unclear.

Well, that was Mussolini on the international scene two years before Hitler took power.

DUH! I just found out that this could simply be the French version of this speech in English. It still lacks the last part, toh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow8SQQm7oVg

I'll leave my efforts untouched. I don't want to cheat [:)]

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I am not in the slightest interested in modding WITP-AE for WITM.

I already knew that. I'm only pointing up that *only* some sort of Witp AE mod can simulate your theatre as we speak.

The land war is not ideally served (and this is recognised by some WITP-AE players themselves).

"I don't like the land system" and "the land system does not work" are two totally different things.

Yes, I want a huge level of detail from a WITM game, but I don't want that detail targeted in some of the areas that WITP-AE focuses on.

I suspect you want the naval side of things: convoy runs aka logistics aka the serious stuff, combat TFs sweeping the communication lines etc etc. You don't want to deal with your air squadrons on a daily basis perhaps. I assume you still want to push your land (infantry, engineers, mechanised and motorised) counters though.

Daily or weekly turns? You need the former for your detailed naval and air operations minimum.

[ncc1701e]

Is there not a scenario like this in TOAW IV? With the new naval rules, it could be fun.

[TulliusDetritus]

re Mussolini, you must watch a 1962 documentary by Rossellini and Prunas: Benito Mussolini Dalla marcia alla catastrofe.

One of my favourite docs ever.

[ncc1701e]

Regarding Mussolini, I recently read something about some letters sent by Churchill:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/130917

True or not, we will never know I think.