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Originally posted by Svar
2by3 Games makes these games and they talk about a new version of War in Russia which I would rather see than a Med game. I think that 2by3 has an agreement with matrix to do a Med Game after WitP though.
Col Saito: "Don't speak to me of rules! This is war! It is not a game of cricket!"
Originally posted by Bobthehatchit
Would have to be Jap asw then, it is just too weak.
I know that the Japanies didn't concentrate on asw as much as the Allies, but that was a command decision on the part of the japanies leadership, there ships were still capable of offensive asw work.
When you play UV as the IJN you are in command so you make the stratagy, the IJN's ships asw should be rated by the ships weaponary and equipment.
Experience should increase over time like night fighting ability for the allies.
Originally posted by crsutton
I see no need to fool around with Japanese asw capability at all.
Originally posted by crsutton
As for the corsairs (substitute mustang, thunderbolt, lightning here), yes they were not any more manueverable than zeros-that is if the fight was a swirling dogfight at 200 mph. Other than that, they were remarkably more maneuverable than zeros because the turning capability of zeros dropped significantly at any high speed and American 2nd generation fighters were designed to fight at high speed. [/B]
Originally posted by Mike_B20
"A smaller thing - I find Grigsby games usually have a problem with too many flow-stopping unimportant messages. In UV, a peeve of mine is the the message you get when PR missions takes photos - maybe 5 or 6 messages one after the other. Obviously, you can set the msg delay, but there should be an option to not have them come up in real time - maybe aggregated into an info screen at the end of the game, or something. Ditto, maybe, for TF spotting messages."
Absolutely, wholeheartedly about the recon delays Szilard.
I'm sure my opponent is trying to drive me crazy with several recons each turn in one of my PBEM games.
but I believe, in WITP, there will be a "notepad" of the sightings. Right now, there is no way, other than watching the replay to see that information. If so, hopefully there will be a toggle to show them during the replay or just view the text file. Like I said, rumor that will hopefully be fact. And retrofitted to UV.Originally posted by crsutton
I remember reading an account by a lighting pilot. Once his flight of four lightnings bounced a lone Oscar piloted by what must have been a brilliant Japanese pilot. The lightnings made pass after pass on the Oscar and the highly skilled Japanese pilot was able to manuever away from every shot. The lightning pilot was understandably impressed with the skill of his opponent. However, nowhere in the account does the lightning pilot make reference to there being any danger of actually getting shot down by the Oscar. And here lay the problem for Japanese pilots. That Oscar pilot saved his skin, but he was not gonna shoot down any lightnings that day. And if you are flying defensively as Japanese pilots so often had to do, you are losing. Sooner or later, the plane that is dictating the action is gonna land a shot. Better Japanese pilots might survive longer but the end they were gonna get shot down.
Also the Corsair's ROLL RATE was much faster than a Zero, particularly at high speeds.
In WWII, the overwhelming majority of kills of aircraft involved NO dogfight at all; a plane was killed by an enemy plane they never saw.
What experience pilots do is boom and zoom
they make repeated high speed passes
and after a pass they go into a climb and reverse
In an on-line air combat sim...
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Such a pilot can kill someone just turning in tight horizontal circles easily with...
once they're headed straight down, they then can use their roll rate so when they come out of the dive they can be pointed in any direction.
...virtual invulnerability
All this does is bleed off their "e" (energy) and they get slaughtered like cattle. If EVERYONE just did this, then the Zero would always dominate.
Indeed, I think the point is that people really don't have a clear understanding of air combat in World War II.
Matter of fact though, in UV Climb rate actually has a large effect on combat results, and the Corasir edges out the zero by about 400'/min. Not what i would call overwhelming.
IMO, I don't think it's a matter of "hard coding" as much as what happens when a fighter has both a speed AND manueverability advantage over it's opponent in UV.Corsairs are hard-coded to shred anything in UV. This needs to be fixed.
) rather than just tweak some a/c stats to make them fit.I think you have a point there Drongo, If ROC has an Impact in CAP engagements, then It must have an impact in MOST A/A meetings given that 90% of the time one side is CAPing. I don't know. What are your thoughts on this given what the manual says?Air To Air Combat: In this game, once aircraft have closed for combat, the most important factors include maneuverability and speed. If a plane has a significantly higher maneuverability the pilot will try to dogfight. If the plane has a significantly higher speed, the pilot will try to make slashing attacks. If the pilot succeeds or not is primarily dependent on his skill. [/QUOTE}
Seems the Corsair will have the edge no matter what. I think the limitation is in the system. There are only 2-3 GENERAL categories that determine Combat results. Of these, one, Rate of climb combined with leadership, I think, determines positioning, ie altitude advantage. Then the type of attack/tactic is decided by the performance advantage, and is again modified (either positively or negatively) by leadership. What really gets me is the "all encompassing" maneuverability rating of the corsair is only 1 or 2 pts higher than the Zero, the ROC is only 400'/min faster, and of course speed is substantially better.
So, you will find that a trainer, such as the Wirraway, will suffer horribly against a high performance fighter, such as a Zero. The Zero is much faster and far more maneuverable. The only saving feature of the Wirraway, in such a case is the rear-firing gunner. The Wildcat is also in trouble, as it is not any faster than the Zero, and is less maneuverable to boot.
The Kittyhawk, on the other hand, is significantly faster and quite durable. The Kittyhawk pilot will try for slashing attacks, using speed to fly by very quickly, fire his guns and then dive or make a very lazy turn around and come back. He also can go head to head with the Zero and stand a good chance of living to tell the tale.
Later war Allied aircraft, such as the Lightning, Thunderbolt or Corsair are adequatelymaneuverable and extremely fast and rugged. Very few (How bout NONE) Japanese aircraft can stand up to these. Pilot experience determines, of course, if the desired tactic can be achieved and squadron commander’s air skill is influential. If the pilots do not know the tactic, they will not use it well. Fatigue and morale are also important.
It should also be noted that although the combat display reports the total number of fighter aircraft attempting to engage, the actual number of planes that dogfight are usually much less. This is based on the temporary disruption taken during previous combat rounds, or the inability of CAP aircraft to reach the incoming strike in time. Also, it is possible for CAP to force a bomber group to abort its mission prior to the bomber group’s bomb run.
I completely agree that in almost any clash between fighters, one side would have been performing some type of CAP.If ROC has an Impact in CAP engagements, then It must have an impact in MOST A/A meetings given that 90% of the time one side is CAPing. I don't know. What are your thoughts on this given what the manual says?
Of these, one, Rate of climb combined with leadership, I think, determines positioning, ie altitude advantage.
Other than impacting P-39 and P-400 performance, altitude does not impact air to air combat with one exception. Aircraft that are reinforcing CAP due to radar contact of the incoming strike may not be able to climb fast enough to engage the incoming bombers.
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One of which is the inability of the Zero to do damage to med and hvy bombers. I fully realize the historical reputations of all A/C concerned here, but I have NEVER shot down a B-17! I rarley get any medium bombers. I know that to expect large numbers of Bombers to be downed when they are escorted by a competent unit of fighters is asking a lot. but what about the situation I mentioned above?
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, so I prefer no big changes in combat AI 
maneuverable and extremely fast and rugged. Very few (How bout NONE) Japanese aircraft can stand up to these. Pilot experience determines, of course, if the desired tactic can be achieved and squadron commander’s air skill is influential. If the pilots do not know the tactic, they will not use it well. Fatigue and morale are also important.