Alytus-Orany railroad

[goranw]

Another line is from Timkowitschi westwards toward Baranowitschi. (South of Minsk)
Interesting is that the line from Osipowitschi is a double line.
Accordingly to some sources up to Timkowitschi and other to Slutsk.(As in the game)

Alytus to Varena is still a problem.
Soviet sources regard it as non existant. Lithaunia sources as a "stretched line "
and german sources mostly as something to count.
See ex.on this map. A special rail analysis map from 28-aug.
These were made continuously over vital areas.
Could they be completly wrong?
Goran

[panzer51]

Perhaps the Alytus-Varena line had residual rails remaining, but I'm not sure how the Germans collected this info. It's unlikely they physically checked every single rail line. Since it was clearly not used, this could've been just a "paper" rail-line. The history is very murky even for Armyansk-Kherson spur. There was a line north of Armyansk even in 1930s. In September 1941 the Germans even had to fight a Soviet armored train there, so you can't say they built an entire railroad down to Armyansk. The real question how far that railroad extended.

[Dreamslayer]

Temporary RR bridge in Alytus (Olita) across Neman.
https://olitaorany.lt/ENG/laik_tiltas_en.htm#ardomas

[goranw]

The history is very murky even for Armyansk-Kherson spur. There was a line north of Armyansk even in 1930s. In September 1941 the Germans even had to fight a Soviet armored train there, so you can't say they built an entire railroad down to Armyansk. The real question how far that railroad extended.

I havnt found any map , german or soviet, that shows a rail from Armjansk to south river at Cherson.
This up to 1942. Perhaps some rail with small gauge. Detailed books about "Blue eisenbahner" say that they took
responsibility for the rail in may-42. The rail was hampered by the fact that no real bridge was built over Dnjeper. For a time there was a floating bridge but it was in shortly destroyed by the germans themselves.
That the germans fought an armored train in that area, in that time, is highly unlikely. I am interested in the source. Of course its not impossible[:)]
Goran

[panzer51]

Book Оборона Крыма 1941 г. Прорыв Манштейна, it cites the war diary of 73rd infantry as well as Soviet sources.

[goranw]

ORIGINAL: panzer51

Book Оборона Крыма 1941 г. Прорыв Манштейна, it cites the war diary of 73rd infantry as well as Soviet sources.

Hi!
Very interesting.
Do you mean the 73 infantery division or some other type of unit?
Goran

[panzer51]

yes Wehrmacht's 73rd infantry division plus kurt meir's from leibstandarte recollections.

[goranw]

ORIGINAL: panzer51

yes Wehrmacht's 73rd infantry division plus kurt meir's from leibstandarte recollections.

No doubt there was some sort of rail a bit north of Perekop going southwards over the Tatargraben.
Also a panzer train present. Was it coming from Krim? Probably. I would really like to know what happened to it.
Goran

[panzer51]

ORIGINAL: goranw

ORIGINAL: panzer51

yes Wehrmacht's 73rd infantry division plus kurt meir's from leibstandarte recollections.

No doubt there was some sort of rail a bit north of Perekop going southwards over the Tatargraben.
Also a panzer train present. Was it coming from Krim? Probably. I would really like to know what happened to it.
Goran

It was built at Kerch Metallurgical plant, one of I think 3 improvised armor trains with mainly 37mm guns, and some 34K and 8К 76mm AA guns. At the time it was called "Death to German occupiers" later on it got renamed "Voikovets". At the end of August it was assigned to support 156 rifle division and was based at Armyansk. After the first clash with LSAH and 73 ID near Vadim station (10 km NW of Armyansk) on Sept 12, 1941, it was damaged next day by Ju-87s from II./StG77 and retreated south to Simferopol for repairs. Was destroyed on October 31, 1941 at Alma.

[goranw]

ORIGINAL: panzer51

ORIGINAL: goranw

ORIGINAL: panzer51

yes Wehrmacht's 73rd infantry division plus kurt meir's from leibstandarte recollections.

No doubt there was some sort of rail a bit north of Perekop going southwards over the Tatargraben.
Also a panzer train present. Was it coming from Krim? Probably. I would really like to know what happened to it.
Goran

It was built at Kerch Metallurgical plant, one of I think 3 improvised armor trains with mainly 37mm guns, and some 34K and 8К 76mm AA guns. At the time it was called "Death to German occupiers" later on it got renamed "Voikovets". At the end of August it was assigned to support 156 rifle division and was based at Armyansk. After the first clash with LSAH and 73 ID near Vadim station (10 km NW of Armyansk) on Sept 12, 1941, it was damaged next day by Ju-87s from II./StG77 and retreated south to Simferopol for repairs. Was destroyed on October 31, 1941 at Alma.

Thanks for the information.
Goran