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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Yes, it was Greyjoy's AAR. Some of the PTs greatest successes have been disrupting landings. Just by appearing and trying to attack the unloading ships they cause the invasion TFs to cease unloading and get underway, often with collisions ensuing. The interruption can happen again after that combat finishes if the PTs are still around. That means less gets unloaded by the landing TF which could mean too small a force to meet the enemy on that turn. Escorts should not ignore PTs under any circumstance because the merchant ships cannot ignore them.ORIGINAL: Maallon
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
So will low tolerance work on ignoring those pesky PT boat squadrons that just get in the way and use up all of your ammo?
I don't think it will necessarily work like you intend it to work, because:
- PT Boats are quite fast, so as long you are in their range, they will likely get you.
- If your TF perceive PT Boats as large enough of a threat to retreat from them, they will basically retreat from everything else too.
I haven't used the "low" setting before so I am not 100% sure how things play out with this setting though.
This is probably something you just need to experiment and get experience with to use it properly.
Also while PT Boats are rarely a threat to surface combatants, they can wreak havoc on your transport ships, so it may be wise to not ignore them. And I can vaguely remember that there was this AAR where a PT Boat sunk Yamato, wasn't it Greyjoys AAR?
ORIGINAL: Trugrit
+1
One of the main thing with PT boats is moonlight.
You want your amphibious landings to launch when when there is a full moon or close to it.
When the moon is dark PT boats can get in very close to a task force before combat.
I’ve seen a squadron of PT boats wreck a surface or amphibious task force on a
dark night landing and punch major holes in several capital ships.
I modified my Operations Report to show the phases of the moon.
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Really? How long have you been playing this game?
Do you really need some one to lay this out for you?
If you want your Surface Combat TFs to actually fight you probably need to be setting them to the highest levels possible.
If you don't want your cargo TFs to stray into enemy air range you probably need to be setting them to the lowest levels possible.
Sorry for the lack of specific setting references, but I don't currently have the game open.
It just boggles my mind that anyone would need to ask for help figuring this out.
It's been ten years since WITP. Learning all over again. Boggles my mind that people that have live this game everyday don't understand that. Do you guys treat new people even worse? Good job ruining the community.
Would just like to hear from those that enjoy explaining the intricacies of the game and not from someone that just wants to bitch. Just don't comment if you have nothing to offer. Boggles my mind how people don't understand this.
I've always used remain on station or retire from danger with normal threat tolerance and normal or direct pathing and it has always worked well. On normal it seems to avoid airpower fine. I almost always have to click direct to get rid of the crazy routes around empty enemy bases. No problems with SC not fighting. I don't send unprotected task forces into bomber attack range. Have not really had any reasons to change things just looking to see if I should use other settings more not looking for a fight about it.
As I've said I've searched the manual and the forum. Searching for threat or threat tolerance has not shown me much at all.
If you just want to take my thread and turn it into another flame war please don't bother I've got a life. Please do direct me if I've missed something. Or not. Either is fine. Just bitching and wasting everyone's time is not.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/sear ... button=+OK+
ORIGINAL: Ian R
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Really? How long have you been playing this game?
Do you really need some one to lay this out for you?
If you want your Surface Combat TFs to actually fight you probably need to be setting them to the highest levels possible.
If you don't want your cargo TFs to stray into enemy air range you probably need to be setting them to the lowest levels possible.
Sorry for the lack of specific setting references, but I don't currently have the game open.
It just boggles my mind that anyone would need to ask for help figuring this out.
It's been ten years since WITP. Learning all over again. Boggles my mind that people that have live this game everyday don't understand that. Do you guys treat new people even worse? Good job ruining the community.
Would just like to hear from those that enjoy explaining the intricacies of the game and not from someone that just wants to bitch. Just don't comment if you have nothing to offer. Boggles my mind how people don't understand this.
I've always used remain on station or retire from danger with normal threat tolerance and normal or direct pathing and it has always worked well. On normal it seems to avoid airpower fine. I almost always have to click direct to get rid of the crazy routes around empty enemy bases. No problems with SC not fighting. I don't send unprotected task forces into bomber attack range. Have not really had any reasons to change things just looking to see if I should use other settings more not looking for a fight about it.
As I've said I've searched the manual and the forum. Searching for threat or threat tolerance has not shown me much at all.
If you just want to take my thread and turn it into another flame war please don't bother I've got a life. Please do direct me if I've missed something. Or not. Either is fine. Just bitching and wasting everyone's time is not.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/sear ... button=+OK+
The irony floats so thick here, you could slice it.
Tanaka, you have indeed missed something. What you have missed is that you have asked - not for the first time, but the umpteenth - a lazy question, within easy reach of a simple search here, apparently after a rather limited attempt to find the answer.
So, to adapt your phrase, how about you cease and desist from "bitching" at other people who you accuse of "bitching" when you have just wasted their time? I agree with you, wasting everyone's time is not OK, which is why, after I wasted 15 minutes of my life answering your recent question about air transfers and missions - and then you wanted to argue about it - I don't bother anymore.
ORIGINAL: Ian R
Tanaka, you should ask the admins to change your log-in to "Tow-truck".
ORIGINAL: Ian R
The tow-truck.
First at the scene of any disaster.
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
What settings are recommended to use for different TF and why? I've searched the forum and manual for this but don't see much of anything? Are these settings rarely used? I must admit I've always left on normal and am wondering if I should use this more...
; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: Ian R
The tow-truck.
First at the scene of any disaster.
Are you sure?[:)]
Don't ambulance chasers, as portrayed in many Hollywood shows/movies, give them a good run to see who wins the race to be first at the scene.
Alfred
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
What settings are recommended to use for different TF and why? I've searched the forum and manual for this but don't see much of anything? Are these settings rarely used? I must admit I've always left on normal and am wondering if I should use this more...
To answer your question properly, it depends upon the TF and the purpose of said TF.
ORIGINAL: ggeilman
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
What settings are recommended to use for different TF and why? I've searched the forum and manual for this but don't see much of anything? Are these settings rarely used? I must admit I've always left on normal and am wondering if I should use this more...
To answer your question properly, it depends upon the TF and the purpose of said TF.
Would you mind elaborating on that a bit? I don't expect a 20 page disertation, but a couple of examples would be helpful:)
; Julia ChildORIGINAL: ggeilman
As one that is still a relative NOOB here, only been playing for about 3 to 4 months, I have seen the forum get a lot grumpier since I first came online. What as originally a rather welcoming place quickly degenerated into a lot of RTFM. From a NOOBs perspective, let me say that there is reading the manual, understanding the manual and trying to ask questions regarding tactics which will never be in the manual. Flame wars are never fun and generally not helpful for those that have to read them. I know as I used to get into my share of them back in the 90s. Been on BBSs since the late 80s.
On the subject at hand, I had not even looked at threat tolerance yet. Been mostly just using TF routing, but I am only into late March of 42 so this is something I probably should be aware of. I like the idea of the combat report with the moon phases on it and second would like to learn how to do that.
But honestly I have gotten to the point I don't even like posting questions anymore will all the RTFM responses.
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: ggeilman
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
To answer your question properly, it depends upon the TF and the purpose of said TF.
Would you mind elaborating on that a bit? I don't expect a 20 page disertation, but a couple of examples would be helpful:)
Do you want to invade an island withing range of enemy land based air units and possibly enemy surface combat forces as well as enemy carrier task forces? Or do you want to invade an undefended but enemy owned location where there is little to no chance of enemy air attacks from land bases? Or do you just want to send units to your own base that has no port facilities that is also not within range of enemy air bases? Do you want to quickly unload units at a base with a very small port but unload them quickly even though there are no enemy bases with air units nearby? All of those should be Amphibious TFs but a player may want different threat tolerances.
Freind, this is a family.forum. Your retort as often does comes off as childish and your vague accusations is troll like behavior.ORIGINAL: Tanaka
ORIGINAL: ggeilman
As one that is still a relative NOOB here, only been playing for about 3 to 4 months, I have seen the forum get a lot grumpier since I first came online. What as originally a rather welcoming place quickly degenerated into a lot of RTFM. From a NOOBs perspective, let me say that there is reading the manual, understanding the manual and trying to ask questions regarding tactics which will never be in the manual. Flame wars are never fun and generally not helpful for those that have to read them. I know as I used to get into my share of them back in the 90s. Been on BBSs since the late 80s.
On the subject at hand, I had not even looked at threat tolerance yet. Been mostly just using TF routing, but I am only into late March of 42 so this is something I probably should be aware of. I like the idea of the combat report with the moon phases on it and second would like to learn how to do that.
But honestly I have gotten to the point I don't even like posting questions anymore will all the RTFM responses.
Yeah it is defintely no longer an inviting forum welcoming newbies or growth anymore. It has basically become a private old man club. I have come to pretty much expect to have to defend every single question I ask at this point. I've gotten used to it and these old codgers don't scare me. In any form of teaching or learning there is no such thing as a stupid question just stupid responses that waste your time. I know most of the rules but want to improve on my tactics. For example I knew how the threat tolerance rules worked for the most part I just wanted to hear from some players on some different ideas how they might use them. No one ever considers how new players might benefit from questions being asked. Just the same old get the f out responses. It has basically become the old man in rocking chair yelling get off of my lawn forum. Or it is just Karens wanting to complain about everything and helping nothing. They would rather spend all of their time bitching rather than using 1/5 of that time just to post a quick link or suggestion which no one is even requiring them to do. So just move on if you don't want to. Is that really such a difficult thing to do? But no must be a Karen.
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: ggeilman
Would you mind elaborating on that a bit? I don't expect a 20 page disertation, but a couple of examples would be helpful:)
Do you want to invade an island withing range of enemy land based air units and possibly enemy surface combat forces as well as enemy carrier task forces? Or do you want to invade an undefended but enemy owned location where there is little to no chance of enemy air attacks from land bases? Or do you just want to send units to your own base that has no port facilities that is also not within range of enemy air bases? Do you want to quickly unload units at a base with a very small port but unload them quickly even though there are no enemy bases with air units nearby? All of those should be Amphibious TFs but a player may want different threat tolerances.
Nice examples thanks...
; Julia ChildORIGINAL: SuluSea
Freind, this is a family.forum. Your retort as often does comes off as childish and your vague accusations is troll like behavior.ORIGINAL: Tanaka
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Yeah it is defintely no longer an inviting forum welcoming newbies or growth anymore. It has basically become a private old man club. I have come to pretty much expect to have to defend every single question I ask at this point. I've gotten used to it and these old codgers don't scare me. In any form of teaching or learning there is no such thing as a stupid question just stupid responses that waste your time. I know most of the rules but want to improve on my tactics. For example I knew how the threat tolerance rules worked for the most part I just wanted to hear from some players on some different ideas how they might use them. No one ever considers how new players might benefit from questions being asked. Just the same old get the f out responses. It has basically become the old man in rocking chair yelling get off of my lawn forum. Or it is just Karens wanting to complain about everything and helping nothing. They would rather spend all of their time bitching rather than using 1/5 of that time just to post a quick link or suggestion which no one is even requiring them to do. So just move on if you don't want to. Is that really such a difficult thing to do? But no must be a Karen.
Could it be that some find you intellectually lazy? You've asked nothing that can't be solved by using common sense or covered numerous times each year and/or in documentation.
Earlier in the thread.You pointed out your value to others by creating these threads.... Let me correct you, the value is only added when people give their time, share their knowledge and answer your questions.
