crowd funded update?

[Moltrey]

ORIGINAL: Maallon

I think the problem is still in the room that the engine is at it's limits, all in all the problems that were discussed in previous threads, that an update would face, haven't really gone away.
Also the fact that Erik likely saw this thread already and didn't respond to it in any way until now does also tell it's own story, me thinks. [:)]

Of course you are right that crazier things might have happened.

You know, the funny thing is that after all the roundy-round of activity in the last great WITP2 thread with Alfred taking part and more or less minimizing the chances of a follow-up and giving almost zero chance of a improvement of the existing game's code - he then went on to say (I am paraphrasing here): But if anyone is willing to come forward with the money Matrix will listen.

Uhhh... say what?! He spent all that time playing down the chance and then did a 180 at the end. I was flabbergasted to say the least. (This is where I got the Alfred input from my original post above).

So frankly, I don't know who or what to believe (or not) anymore when it comes to what circumstances it will take to make a new version of WITP happen.

[Alpha77]

ORIGINAL: Moltrey

But if anyone is willing to come forward with the money Matrix will listen.

Uhhh... say what?! He spent all that time playing down the chance and then did a 180 at the end. I was flabbergasted to say the least. (This is where I got the Alfred input from my original post above).

So frankly, I don't know who or what to believe (or not) anymore when it comes to what circumstances it will take to make a new version of WITP happen.

Alfred always stated that he has some kind of good connection / relationship with the "devs". Which is one of the reasons he often gave so good (but also more theoretical) advise. So if Alred says something then there must be a chance that it can happen, I guess. These are good news imho [:)] Can you link to the thread you mean?

[Moltrey]

I couldn't find it on this blasted forum. As a aside, I loathe the old software Matrix uses for our forum, it seriously needs an upgrade. The functions are so unintuitive it makes an etch-a-sketch look advanced.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

ORIGINAL: Moltrey

But if anyone is willing to come forward with the money Matrix will listen.

Uhhh... say what?! He spent all that time playing down the chance and then did a 180 at the end. I was flabbergasted to say the least. (This is where I got the Alfred input from my original post above).

So frankly, I don't know who or what to believe (or not) anymore when it comes to what circumstances it will take to make a new version of WITP happen.

Alfred always stated that he has some kind of good connection / relationship with the "devs". Which is one of the reasons he often gave so good (but also more theoretical) advise. So if Alred says something then there must be a chance that it can happen, I guess. These are good news imho [:)] Can you link to the thread you mean?

Can someone please explain who Alfred is? Yes I know he knows a lot about the game but how is he connected to the game? Was he a part of the WITP to AE project? A Dev? How is he connected to the Devs? How does he speak for the game? I don't see him listed on the Dev team list? Not trying to start anything at all I just have no idea what his connection is or who he is? Just a smart player?

[Alpha77]

Tanaka you need to ask him or the devs/admin, I only know what he said so he seems "connected" in some way. I certainly remember he mentioned the "devs" often, but I never asked which devs he meant tbh [:(] Otherwise he is the best to make forum searches, manual references and has a big bunch of saved threads / bookmarks etc. I guess.

He is also one of the more polite members of the forum [;)]

[Nomad]

I don't know the reason, but there was a time that Alfred had access to the private developers forum. I am quite sure he was not on the developer team.

[BBfanboy]

He mentioned being on the conference calls with the developers. I think he had the task to write the manual and needed to follow the details of how the developers programmed various things to try and describe it in the manual. Just my guess, but it offers a possible clue to Alfred's vehemence about using the manual.

[Alpha77]

Interesting, but only speculation... he can explain it when he comes back.

Also perhaps a definitive statement by an admin would be good, to clear up IF there is a chance for AE2 and/or perhaps last update to AE1. Otherwise all this is a waste of time imo..

[Nomad]

I have a feeling that he will not be coming back.

[RangerJoe]

If I remember correctly, he was in some of the discussions and/or allowed to see them so he always refers to the manual or what the developers stated in a thread. That way, there is no violation of any non-disclosure or other leaking of information.

I do wish that he will return. I also wish that people would not antagonize him. A discussion is one thing, but personal attacks are another thing. If you do not want to take his advice, just leave it at that.

[Moltrey]

I think he had it coming Joe. As much as I value Alfred's knowledge and accessibility, he has almost no patience with newer players. While I can understand some of his reasons, as Erik said, it isn't the best "look" to have on a forum that is supposed to promote the game and provide help, etc. to the playerbase.
In short, if people antagonize Alfred, I firmly believe that in the majority of cases he has it coming. People get REAL tired of his antics, particularly when he appears to shrug off attempts to get him to knock it off.

[Alpha77]

The best would be to ignore him totally if he does this again, I guess he also wants attention and some recognition as a game expert (no medical advise, I am only hobby psychologist [:D]= This may also be the reason he said so often, that he knows the devs etc. [;)]

[Erik Rutins]

To the best of my recollection (and I worked with the team on WITP-AE), Alfred was not on the dev team or involved with the dev team. He may have been a pre-release beta tester? He's certainly very knowledgeable about the game. I'm currently in contact with him discussing the end of the ban and his potential return to the forum as long as he agrees to follow the rules. If that happens, to be clear we expect _everyone_ to follow the rules and not pick up where things left off.

Regards,

- Erik

[Nomad]

If you go to the members list and search with Alfred, he does not appear. I think he has left permanently.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Nomad
If you go to the members list and search with Alfred, he does not appear. I think he has left permanently.

That's normal for a banned account.

[rmeckman]

In addition to reading the official AE documentation, Alfred gets a lot of information from developer posts on this forum. Pages 321-322 of the manual list the members of the development team, including in many cases the names they were using on the forum. Some of these developers (I for one have seen many useful posts from TheElf and JWE) posted a lot game clarifications on the forum.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Moltrey

I think he had it coming Joe. As much as I value Alfred's knowledge and accessibility, he has almost no patience with newer players. While I can understand some of his reasons, as Erik said, it isn't the best "look" to have on a forum that is supposed to promote the game and provide help, etc. to the playerbase.
In short, if people antagonize Alfred, I firmly believe that in the majority of cases he has it coming. People get REAL tired of his antics, particularly when he appears to shrug off attempts to get him to knock it off.

THIS. I have no problem with Alfred if he would just leave others alone. I have no desire to antagonize anyone. I only attack back when attacked first. That is the same situation that happened with Mark. He was attacked first and then attacked back.

That is a terrible environment for the forum and new players especially. I appreciate his knowledge and contributions. Just lay off the ego and attitude and attacks of newbies and others. All I want is to move on and have a normal forum.

[tolsdorff]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Moltrey

I think he had it coming Joe. As much as I value Alfred's knowledge and accessibility, he has almost no patience with newer players. While I can understand some of his reasons, as Erik said, it isn't the best "look" to have on a forum that is supposed to promote the game and provide help, etc. to the playerbase.
In short, if people antagonize Alfred, I firmly believe that in the majority of cases he has it coming. People get REAL tired of his antics, particularly when he appears to shrug off attempts to get him to knock it off.

THIS. I have no problem with Alfred if he would just leave others alone. I have no desire to antagonize anyone. I only attack back when attacked first. That is the same situation that happened with Mark. He was attacked first and then attacked back.

That is a terrible environment for the forum and new players especially. I appreciate his knowledge and contributions. Just lay off the ego and attitude and attacks of newbies and others. All I want is to move on and have a normal forum.

You can also choose not to attack back. That will never make a situation better. Aren't you married or so?

Alfred should write poetry or literature . He is a gifted writer and critic. I enjoy the antics as much as the knowledge.

[Erik Rutins]

I agree in that I've seen that same pattern and that's why in moderation we generally discipline whoever started it as many folks can't help but attack back. However, we strongly encourage that instead of escalating with a personal counter-attack, you instead ignore and notify a moderator.

Regards,

- Erik

[pontiouspilot]

Good luck!...you may get a gig as a Family Court Judge if you pull this off!